NFB: Want a doomsday oil crash article?

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

WOW.....................................

The scariest thing is, their economics seem pretty solid. There is no question that the downside of the bell curve of oil production is going to be a RUTHLESS time to be alive... I don't know how accurate their facts and figures are (are we already past the "peak"?), but the concepts behind their points are concrete.

[Joe 1320]

However, there are other solutions..............

http://www.fe.doe.gov/programs/reser.../40010-373.pdf

[toddwirges]

Lots of interesting stuff in there. Reasonable points. Downright scary to think about... then...

BUY OUR BOOKS!!!!

Sorry but I can't take altrustic "spread the word and help yourself" readings seriously if you try to sell me something at the end of your pitch.

There are good points there. And I do think the days of $1.50 gallons of gas are long gone now.

But it's not quite enough to get me to live off the grid in the middle of nowhere anytime soon.

Especially since I just got the loudmouth II and lid on my car. Lol.

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

WOW.....................................

The scariest thing is, their economics seem pretty solid. There is no question that the downside of the bell curve of oil production is going to be a RUTHLESS time to be alive... I don't know how accurate their facts and figures are (are we already past the "peak"?), but the concepts behind their points are concrete.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

However, there are other solutions..............

http://www.fe.doe.gov/programs/reser.../40010-373.pdf

No, we need to stop using oil altogether...

There are three forms of energy that we should be ashamed of ourselves for under-utilizing...

nuclear power, solar power, and ALCOHOL...

The day that cars run on the same stuff that frat boys do will be ingenious... think about it... you can ferment ANYTHING... wheat, corn, potatoes...

[Craig 94 TA GT]

I believe that a relatively newer technology, extracting oil from oil sands in Canada may have increased the peak a bit. They estimate 1.7 trillion barrels that can be extracted. Definitely not going to solve anything, just extend "the end"...potentially of course.
http://www.oilsandsdiscovery.com/oil...ory/story.html

[raptorjesus]

*Puts in Mad Max DVD*

*Takes notes*

[RocKin1967]

i hear ya man.... we just got a gas crunch....$3.15 for 93.... the chevelle is now parked lol

[Joe 1320]

No, we need to stop using oil altogether...

There are three forms of energy that we should be ashamed of ourselves for under-utilizing...

nuclear power, solar power, and ALCOHOL...

The day that cars run on the same stuff that frat boys do will be ingenious... think about it... you can ferment ANYTHING... wheat, corn, potatoes...

I Agree, we have to stop burning stuff altogether.

[TraceZ]

I Agree, we have to stop burning stuff altogether.

bearded-recumbant-bike-riding-tree-hugging-hippie-liberal!

Havent you heard yet? When we run out of gas a bunch of extra terrestrials are going to visit our planet and give us a free source of clean new unlimited energy.

But seriously, I do wonder sometimes if my kids will ever drive a gasoline powered V8 automobile. Will they be extinct in 10 years?

[Joe 1320]

bearded-recumbant-bike-riding-tree-hugging-hippie-liberal!

Hey.... not quite. I shaved my beard a couple of years ago.

Somehow I knew aliens were going to be a part of this topic. Funny thing is that it's pretty obvious with folks griping about fuel prices, they aren't accustomed to running high octane race gas. That makes pump gas appear to be a bargain. makes me wonder how high that stuff is gonna go.

[Joe 1320]

*Puts in Mad Max DVD*

*Takes notes*

Haha... I was thinking the same thing.

[Steel2686]

My Cousin is down in Marrietta, Georgia, just outside of Atlanta. He said there was some kind of gas scare down there yesterday. Cars were lined up by the tens of dozens at the pumps... Cops were at some of the big gas stations preventing fights... An some of the gas stations jacked their prices up as high as $5.00 a gallon!

I'm sure Chris could shed some light on this...

[wolfdogs]

by 2020.... we could be using very little oil at all..........

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[Roger in Kensington]

Okay, I'll say it again.

No, we need to stop using oil altogether...

There are three forms of energy that we should be ashamed of ourselves for under-utilizing...

nuclear power, solar power, and ALCOHOL...

The day that cars run on the same stuff that frat boys do will be ingenious... think about it... you can ferment ANYTHING... wheat, corn, potatoes...

Lovely idea. Not bad. BUT . . . it takes far more energy to produce the alcohol than is obtained from it. The distillation process ALONE (probably fueled by petroleum) uses substantial amounts of energy, not to mention the energy needed to produce and transport the "stuff" to be fermented.

Solar?

A quick check online at www.solarenergy.com finds a company called BP Solar in Linthicum, Maryland, offering solar panels that it claims are "the most efficient Photovoltaic Modules commercially available." Its model BP-275 panel costs $456, weighs 16.5 pounds, has an area of 6.8 square feet, and a maximum output of 75 watts.

One horsepower is equivalent to 750 watts. To power a 50-horsepower motor would require the use of 500 solar panels weighing 8250 pounds, occupying an area of 3400 square feet, and costing $228,000! And it wouldn’t work at night or on cloudy days.

This explains why we don’t have solar-powered cars.

How about hydrogen?

Hydrogen is produced commercially in a methane-steam reaction. Methane is natural gas, a "fossil" fuel. A lot of (probably petroleum) energy is required to produce the steam. And the byproduct of the reaction is carbon dioxide (the "pollutant" much-feared by global warming calamatarians).

Make hydrogen from water? Nonsense! Water is such a stabile molecule (making it good for among other things, drinking and fire suppression) that it requires ENORMOUS amounts of energy to split the molecule into its components.

This doesn't even begin to address the problems regarding hydrogen storage. Imagine having one (or more) 10,000 pounds per square inch tanks of hydrogen gas in your car . . . during an accident (why do you think methane-powered buses have their tanks on top of the bus?). Ever see a high-pressure tank that has exploded? I have. And that was only at 3,000 psi. No thanks.

The nice thing about liquid fuels during an accident is that they are not pressurized.

Nuclear? I'm all for it.

But the best, immediate solution is to exploit our vast oil shale deposits that contain enough oil to last us 270 years at current rates of consumption, not to mention the oil that is available by more "conventional" means.

Here endeth the lesson.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

distilling alcohol doesn't use as much energy as refining oil does