Saw this about the '06 ZO6

[bru333]

on the local f-body club forum.

Dealer in Oregon.



http://dorask.com/z06/z06.htm

I'd link directly to the message, but you have to be logged in even to view a post. http://carolinafbodyclub.com

[Joe 1320]

It is dealerships like that the causes GM headaches. I've stopped at dealers and looked at cars, as soon as I see a markup like this, I walk. I've had salesmen start chasing me saying "we'll deal off that price, that's not what you'll have to pay". I tell them to cram it and I find another dealer that isn't out to rape the public. I'm not against making a profit, but rape is another matter.

[Performin Norman]

It's absolutely sickening.

[Rhode Island Red]

wow

Gotta agree ... blatant Price gouging

BTW, hope you don't mind, I reposted your find on Chirpthird. The fbodfather checks that site once in a while. I'm sure he will be interested

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

I seriously do not have a problem with elevating price due to high demand. It's capitalism at its finest. The only thing I do have a problem with is that GM doesn't see a portion of the "market adjustment" to the best of my knowledge. If they did receive a cut of this, I would be a strong advocate for it.

Look... it's great that you want a 500 horsepower sports car, but it is not one of your basic human rights or needs. This isn't water, food, or shelter. It's a pavement tearing sports car that only the world's wealthiest 1% will ever have the privilege to experience, and it's in high demand. If you don't want to pay the price, then don't. Or... shop around and find a dealer offering it at sticker - they are out there. Be an educated consumer and look around - use capitalism against them - instead of just being a victim of it yourself - and find someone offering it for a lower price .

If the biggest complaint we have today is that a $70,000 sports car was marked up $29,000 extra, then we're having a pretty good day.

[fastTa]

I seriously do not have a problem with elevating price due to high demand. It's capitalism at its finest. The only thing I do have a problem with is that GM doesn't see a portion of the "market adjustment" to the best of my knowledge. If they did receive a cut of this, I would be a strong advocate for it.

Look... it's great that you want a 500 horsepower sports car, but it is not one of your basic human rights or needs. This isn't water, food, or shelter. It's a pavement tearing sports car that only the world's wealthiest 1% will ever have the privilege to experience, and it's in high demand. If you don't want to pay the price, then don't. Or... shop around and find a dealer offering it at sticker - they are out there. Be an educated consumer and look around - use capitalism against them - instead of just being a victim of it yourself - and find someone offering it for a lower price .

If the biggest complaint we have today is that a $70,000 sports car was marked up $29,000 extra, then we're having a pretty good day.

I agree with everything you said.....but ~45% markup "Market Adjustment " is going overboard. I could see and even live with maybe 20%, but that is just unreasonable.

Will somebody buy it for that price? I'm almost certain.

[Joe 1320]

Will somebody buy it for that price? I'm almost certain.

I think that the word "someone" should be changed to "Some idiot". I can't imagine not shopping to save enough dough to buy a second car. For the price they are asking, they could throw in a new Impala and still make a hefty profit.

[Injuneer]

Build your own.... gmpartsdirect.com listed seven LS7 engines for sale for $14,300 each.

[Performin Norman]

Build your own.... gmpartsdirect.com listed seven LS7 engines for sale for $14,300 each.

Fred, you getting one?

[Dave-S]

It's just another symptom of why people have a continuing disdain for car dealers in general. Dealers like that get crossed completely off my list.....I would never do business with them, not even if all I was buying was an Aveo because I just don't trust them. You have to ask yourself the question......what else will they try to screw me on?

It really ticks me off that a big ticket item like a car still has to be bargained and bartered for (unless it's a Saturn.) The Huckster image of car dealers just has no place in todays modern world in my opinion. It's no wonder people don't like car salesman and dealers. And this kind of stuff just continues to fuel the dislike.

If GM wants to do something positive to recapture a larger portion of the car market, then why not be the first to completely change things at the dealership level? Some of these guys need to be seriously taken to task for tarnishing GM's reputation. Just my 2 cents.

[wolfdogs]

Build your own.... gmpartsdirect.com listed seven LS7 engines for sale for $14,300 each.

uh oh........................

[fastTa]

So far GM has released 150 LS7 complete crate motors to various different companies. Nicky Fowler from SDPC and a few others have convinced GM to actually go into limited production next year (2006) to make roughly 200 more units available. For now though you will have to supply your own computer.

Here is his post:
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Let's talk some facts here for general reading!

Back up about 18-months, when the LS7 was still speculation to the consumer but a fact at the General --- there was several discussuons about making this engine available as a "Crate Engine". Initially there was no intent for this to happen! Engines would be available only for replacment purposes and you could buy the parts if you wanted to build your own LS7. Me and several GM employees convinced the upper level management that there was real value in releasing this as a production crate engine. Besides, it is increased revenue for the General. Let's do it!

Months later --- the question came up about how will the general consumer make the engine run! GM decides this is not a good idea, too many possibilities for open-ended complaints! LS7 crate engines are canned.

Again, me and basically one other GM employee convince management that you fine folks are very capable of engineering your own "control system" and besides we know the aftermarket will meet the demand. "Stop worrying about how the crate engine will be controlled for generic applications and start working on parts availability!" Our customers are very talented people! The crate engine is on again -- less the electronics.

August 05 -- In an "off-site" LS7 engine project that the General is involved in, there is a glimmer of hope that there might be some form of a wiring harness and controller that could be made available. Some how this word spreads thru several departments and it becomes somewhat public knowledge. After reviewing the situation and a lot of discussion over several weeks, this idea is moved to the "backburner". She's warm, but only luke warm!

Today -- When it is all said and done, about 150-engines will have been released this year. I can assure you that the demand for the engine is no less than the demand for the car. There is not enough supply at this time. We have had offers in excess of $17-grand! Some companies have PO's for several engines and they will pay LIST PRICE! I assure you, being an avid hot rodder we have put the consumer first! We could have easily cancelled orders by consumers and sold their engines to corporations for more money. It is much more fun to read about the excitment and LS7 projects here than to see somebody's million-dollar car that of us can afford in some issue of a magazine.
Will more engines be available? YES, but not until next year (maybe a few in December). The LS7 crate engine will be in limited production for the year 2006 (as a crate engine to be available from GM Service Parts Operations for general consumption), but it will be available to purchase. I would say that if you are certain that you intend to purchase a LS7 crate engine, then you better find a dealer and get one on order. How many will be available next year? Not an easy answer, but I would bet that it will be less than 200-engines. Nothing would surprise me, if they make 50-pieces available or 275 -- just too many issues here for a clear answer. My gut feeling is between 100 and 175.

The PCM issue --- NOT even on the radar screen at this time. So you can stop talking about a generic GM controller and you can stop on one to be available --- it is not going to happen in the next 18-months!
Aftermarket PCM's? Yes, several aftermarket companies are working now on compatible units. I understand that some of the higher end units that are currently available will work right now! There will be MEFI-4 controllers (as some others have stated) available in the next 45-days (we will have some here at SDPC), both in programmable and non-programmable versions. One company has already addressed the issue of a cable driven TB that will clear the LS7 intake. I think we should have TB's by mid-November (2-weeks away). We do not have pricing on any of this yet, but we will have it by the 10th of November.
Believe it or not, GM has already received numerous complaints about the PCM issue and I assure you some of these complaints are ---- well let's not even go there! My point --- too much negative feedback and all of this is cancelled! Seriously! It is true, a minority can stop what the majority wants! There are a few people (including me) that spoke bravely to the GM brass about "you die-hard LS1 fanatics" and your capabilities to succeed. We told GM, "Just furnish the hard parts and they will make it run!"

Nicky Fowler
Lost in Horsepower!
SDPC
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[Kevin - Blown 95 TA]

I agree with everything you said.....but ~45% markup "Market Adjustment " is going overboard. I could see and even live with maybe 20%, but that is just unreasonable.

Will somebody buy it for that price? I'm almost certain.

The thing to do is ACT like you would buy it. Go in there for multiple road tests. Make them waste a ton of time on you and get them to call you at home, but not return their calls. And when you drive it for the last time, pound the hell out of it and scare the crap out of the sales guy. And, in the end, just shrug your shoulders and say that you are ready to write a check for the car, but you would never do business with any dealership that does the greedy special car markup.

[Dave M]

The thing to do is ACT like you would buy it. Go in there for multiple road tests. Make them waste a ton of time on you and get them to call you at home, but not return their calls. And when you drive it for the last time, pound the hell out of it and scare the crap out of the sales guy. And, in the end, just shrug your shoulders and say that you are ready to write a check for the car, but you would never do business with any dealership that does the greedy special car markup.

Around here the Chevy dealers won't even let regular corvettes go for out for test drives, let alone Z06's. I don't know why people would buy a car without test driving it, but that's what I hear happens.

[Steel2686]

Around here the Chevy dealers won't even let regular corvettes go for out for test drives, let alone Z06's. I don't know why people would buy a car without test driving it, but that's what I hear happens.

There is a dealership in our area that does this as well. You have to put a deposit on the car for them to let you test drive one. The lone C6 this dealership has in it's showroom (at least as of last week) has been there for over two months. Wonder why?