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    Pontiac GTO is Back at ‘Full Tilt’
    General Motors plans a follow-up to today’s GTO, and a high Australian dollar means it will likely be built in North America

    By GREG KABLE

    AutoWeek | Published 03/02/06, 12:21 pm et

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    The Pontiac GTO lives! It will be replaced in late 2008 by an all-new model underpinned by General Motors’ latest rear-wheel-drive Zeta platform, with a strong likelihood of it being built on the same production line as the Chevrolet Camaro in North America.

    That’s the message from General Motors vice president for global product development, Bob Lutz, at this week’s Geneva motor show.

    The replacement for today’s slowish-selling GTO was canceled last year when General Motors announced it was reorganizing its North American operations and was set to focus its efforts on creating a new line of sport/utility vehicles, pickups and crossovers.

    But Lutz has told AutoWeek that reports of the rear-wheel-drive coupe’s death were premature and the next-generation GTO’s development program was only really placed on hold, and—after some internal reorganization to ensure profitability targets can be met—it is now back on.

    “The reason we said it was canceled is because that way our people would put their pencils down,” Lutz said. “In GM if you say something is deferred, then people keep working on it. We really needed to get that message through to everybody.” GM’s 74-year-old product guru said the program into which the GTO is incorporated was ‘getting out of control’ and running up costs that would have made it unworkable.

    “It was my fault that it got out of control in the first place,” he added. “It was going to be the world’s greatest car and apparently cost nothing to make. So we’ve started over now. The program is back on and it’s going full tilt.”

    Lutz confirmed that the GTO was “only ever off for two months, but that break has enabled us to get a more feasible program up.” The program he points to is General Motors’ Zeta rear-wheel-drive platform, which is being developed by Holden in Australia and set to underpin the new-generation Commodore due to be launched in August.

    Besides Camaro and GTO, other models set to be based on the Zeta platform are upcoming replacements for the Chevrolet Impala and Monte Carlo, and a new car called the Buick Statesman, according to Lutz.

    Contrary to rumors, however, Lutz said General Motors is not planning to revive the Pontiac Firebird. “No, that’s not something we are planning. We are not going to do that car,” he said.

    When pushed on whether GM was thinking about bringing back the El Camino off the Zeta platform, Lutz beamed with enthusiasm. “The kids in the company, myself included, would love to do another El Camino, but the grown-ups amongst us don’t share that way of thinking,” he said. “It would be fairly simple. We’d only have to put a Chevrolet face on the Holden Ute [a car-like pickup sold in Australia]. The building blocks are there.”

    Less sophisticated than the existing rear-wheel-drive Sigma platform found beneath the Cadillac STS and other high-end GM models, the Zeta architecture is said to be considerably cheaper to produce, owing to a simplified rear-suspension arrangement and other features.

    Lutz suggests the individual character of GM models would not be compromised by basing them around one platform. “We have developed different dash-to-front-axle lengths for various models,” he said. “It [the Zeta platform] is a really flexible platform.”

    Along with Australia and North America, Zeta-based rear-wheel-drive models are also being developed for sale in the Middle East and China. Details remain scarce, though GM’s business case for the new GTO is rumored to be based around sales of between 15,000 and 20,000 per year in North America. After a promising start, today’s model has failed to live up to initial estimates recording 13,569 sales in 2004 and just 11,590 in 2005.

    Lutz confirmed that GM’s Australian subsidiary, Holden, would play a leading role in the engineering of the GTO [where it is sold as the Monaro] and its sister car, the Camaro. “Holden is responsible for the large rear-drive architecture that these cars are based on. If it happens, Holden will do the development on the Camaro as well as the GTO,” he told AutoWeek.

    Despite being developed in Australia, however, there are strong indications the next GTO will be built in North America. “Whether the GTO will be built in Australia [as the current Pontiac GTO is] will largely depend on the [U.S. vs. Australian dollar] exchange rate at the time,” said Lutz. He added, “With the current strength of the Australian dollar and the recent Free Trade Agreement between Australia and the U.S., it would be more feasible to build the GTO in North America. This raises the possibility of both the new-generation GTO and Camaro being imported to Australia in right-hand-drive guise.

    Production of today’s Pontiac GTO is planned to end in September, leaving GM with two years before the new Zeta-based model arrives in North American showrooms. As with the recently unveiled Chevrolet Camaro, it is expected to carry a more retro-inspired design with cues from earlier GTO models. Today’s model started life as the Holden Monaro and was never envisaged to carry the GTO badge, leading to complaints from North American buyers that it lacks any visual connection with the original.

    The Goldens: Reno and Rocky

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    • #3
      im glad for the gto... but i think imma ... no firebird....
      1990 Eagle talon TSI- daily driver

      78' firebird formula -350/350- stock...now dead

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      • #4
        Having no new Firebird means those of us with Birds have a rarer car now. I'm okay with it. I think Pontiac ended the run with a bang.
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        • #5
          I'm interested in seeing if the mentioned "new Impala" will bring it back to the greatness of the 94-96 models...the current W body Impala (aka, Wimpala) just doesn't do it for me...
          Tom Rawlinson
          1998 Z28
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          • #6
            i want the new impala SS, 5.3L V8 too bad its FWD
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            • #7
              Originally posted by 02 WS6
              Having no new Firebird means those of us with Birds have a rarer car now. I'm okay with it. I think Pontiac ended the run with a bang.
              That's exactly what I was going to say. I wonder if it would make Firebirds more valuable if they're never produced again.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by 88bird5spd
                i want the new impala SS, 5.3L V8 too bad its FWD
                It is a sharp car, I saw a black one today. Damn shame about the FWD though. Nice to see that Pontiac is still keeping a muscle car around It would've been cool to have the bird back but this will make the camaro not seem like its a copy cat model (even though I'm 99% sure the GTO and camaro will be on the same platform).
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                • #9
                  Well, don't count the Firebird out forever. Remeber back in the 60's how they dropped the Firebird and only had the 69' Trans am series coupe. It could very well re-appear in the future just like the Challenger is soon, but most likely in a limited production, high-performance model like a Firehawk of something. I'm no weather man or palm reader, but Pontiac will introduce an Anniversary Edition or Indianpolis 500 model or something. The Firebird has become to iconic to never be produced again.

                  1992 RS 25TH Anniversary (with Heritage package) A4 305 TBI (L03), Mobile 1 Synthetic, Flowmaster 80 Series Cat-Back, 17"x 8" Cragar style rims(painted grey)/Hankook Ventus 245/45Z17....350 Coming One Day......

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                  • #10
                    "hey bandit fred wants to kno why were doing this again?" "cuz tis never been done be4" "thats good with me and fred"
                    2009 Honda Civic EX- the daily beater

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by usamuscle892
                      Well, don't count the Firebird out forever. Remeber back in the 60's how they dropped the Firebird and only had the 69' Trans am series coupe. It could very well re-appear in the future just like the Challenger is soon, but most likely in a limited production, high-performance model like a Firehawk of something. I'm no weather man or palm reader, but Pontiac will introduce an Anniversary Edition or Indianpolis 500 model or something. The Firebird has become to iconic to never be produced again.

                      the Firehawk is a tier 1 car.....it wont' be a factory model. right now, gm is hurting very seriously, they may not even get to the camaro or gto if things dont change a little..... small production models such as a limited TA run and no regular firebirds is out of the question for GM right now.....has been for years.... its just not feasible to tool up an assembly line and do all that engineering for a limited production single like that. The firebird may be produced years down the road but you can bet it will be produced to appeal to the "masses" like before......that means a v6 and v8 models, in diff. configurations. Ive owned f bodies since 1967, and i bought my first one new, and I worked for gm in the 70's.....and have been in the industry since.......now with Uncle Sam.....(dealing with the industry).. I dont want to take the wind out of anyones sails, but the Firebird is waaaaaaaay down the road....and if it comes back....its going to depend on the sucess of the new Camaro..........a whole lot of success.. otherwise..if the gto gets things going...the firebird will stay under for a longer time... Pontiac is driving for thier own "image". fighting for survival against buick.

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                      sold: 97 Firehawk, 97 Comp T/A, 2005 GTO, 2008 Solstice GXP turbo.

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                      • #12
                        I agree with you. The future 'birds will all depend on whats happening with GM's performance cars. The last thing they want to do now is have two models competing against eachother. The Camaro will hopefully do a good job at getting the ball rolling.

                        1992 RS 25TH Anniversary (with Heritage package) A4 305 TBI (L03), Mobile 1 Synthetic, Flowmaster 80 Series Cat-Back, 17"x 8" Cragar style rims(painted grey)/Hankook Ventus 245/45Z17....350 Coming One Day......

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                        • #13
                          The firebird is great... The best compliment I ever got was from a Z06 owner @ skyline sitting in my car trying out the dual lumbar seats. He said "I paid $20,000+ more than you and your seats are still more comfortable than mine"

                          I love the firebird, but if GM brings it back now... it would NOT live long enough fly out of the nest. GM needs to kill buick ... why compete against their own brands
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                          • #14
                            The fact that Pontiac and Buick are even in some kind of inter-company competition is worrysome. Buick is not exactly the same genre as Pontiac. Buick has always been considered (up until the new releases) as a poor man's Cadillac. It was affordable luxury. The problem was, so was Oldsmobile. I could see killing off Olds if it was an absolute necessity (as it was).

                            Pontiac is more of a sport-luxury. They usually have the more aggressive styling wrapped around a nice interior. I just hope Buick releasing the new, sportier, quasi-luxury cars don't take a bite out of Pontiac sales. The Lucerne and LaCrosse are pretty nice looking cars... and that's what worries me.
                            SOLD: 2002 Trans Am WS.6 - Black on Black - 6 Speed
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                            • #15
                              the source of the problems stem from when GM stupidly created the Saturn brand .. that brand blood-sucked out all the life of the existing brands namely Oldsmobile

                              But I hold hope that GM knows they screwed up- At and are giving us RWD performance in 2009
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