Water Fuel???

[TruckMuddr]

I did a search but didn't find anything about this.

http://www.thelastfourbooks.com/Joe_Cell/WaterFuel.wmv

Very interesting stuff goin on there. 4oz of water will go 100 miles!!


If we put our money that goes to oil into this, it would change alot of things.



If this is a repost, sorry and please delete.

[DeWynter]

That kicks (_!_)

[TODD 2000 V6 CAMARO]

It will be very interesting to see where this thing is in a few years. I just wonder if the Oil companies will allow it to take off. I can just see all of the special interest people for oil squirming and throwing money into congresmen's campaigns like crazy. There have been a things like this invented in the past and it seems like you never hear hide nor hair of them later on. Being as vital an invention as it is, you would think it would be the next big thing, but you never see it again. I just wonder if maybe oil companies pay these people millions for the technology and then shelf it, making sure it never goes to production. It will be awesome if they start working them into production cars and other niches. I think I would hav e to be first in line to buy their stock when they go public. Think of how much that stock would climb in price once it hit the market!

[2Fbodcru]

That’s very interesting. If it ever got the go ahead and takes off, there are going to be a lot of people standing around feeling stupid. I think the idea has been around a while though. Keanu Reeves did a movie about it (remember?), where he helped invent water power, and then the "Powers that Be" put a stop to it. I did a search on water fuel systems and there is good bit of information on it. It's hard to believe that it can be so simple though, and it has simply been stifled all of this time.

[TraceZ]

Here is something similar....

http://www.waterfuelconverters.com/

Ya know, if we all pitched in $30 or so we could get one of these and have one of our members test it out and see if it really works. If it does, we could all go ahead and buy one for our daily drivers.

[Joe 1320]

And people think I was nuts when I said Hydrogen power is the wave of the future for hybrids. Hopefully the Oil cartels won't buy it up and shelve it.

[2Fbodcru]

Here is something similar....

http://www.waterfuelconverters.com/

Ya know, if we all pitched in $30 or so we could get one of these and have one of our members test it out and see if it really works. If it does, we could all go ahead and buy one for our daily drivers.

I'm in for $30.00 I have become very interested in this and want to know more. I have an 87 Nissan P.U. truck (beater) that I would like to experiment on. Here is something interesting on EBAY:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

There are some other interesting things like this on Ebay as well.

[2Fbodcru]

A few more links:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/7-Pat...64423517QQrdZ1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/Water-Car-How-To...QQcmdZViewItem

[2Fbodcru]

Below is part of an Ebook that I bought from Ebay yesterday for less than $3.00. It has diagrams, but in PDF format, and for some reason, that part of it wouldn't cut and paste. I will post the diagrams when I figure it out.

PRELIMINARY PLANS TO RUN YOUR CAR ON TAP WATER!
IT ALSO WORKS ON YOUR
TRUCK / RV / MOTORCYCLE / AIRPLANE (ETC)
Will This Work?
These plans were sent to the Spirit of Ma'at anonymously, from someone who does not
want his or her name printed (for obvious reasons).
We have had them checked by an expert who believes that they are real.
We also have talked with another individual who has patented a similar device, and we know
by personal experience that the technology is sound.
So although we cannot guarantee it, we believe these plans will enable you to build a car
that runs on water. If you test it out, though, do as the writer suggests and use an old car
that doesn't represent a loss of value if you can't make it work. And leave everything
intact so that you can always reconnect back to gas if you have to.
But if you do get it working, please send us your experience for our readers. You could be
a national hero and help save our country and our world.
We know for certain that an automobile will run on water. So this could be an interesting
project for you mechanical types, with a great reward of never having to purchase gasoline
for the rest of your life - and helping humanity at the same time.
Re The Need to Rustproof Your Exhaust System
It is possible to make a hybrid of both gas and water (a system that is being tested now in
Mexico), which would eliminate the need to open the head and remove the exhaust system.
Just a thought. It takes only a small amount of gas to keep the system dry.
The text sent from the anonymous individual was edited slightly for better reading. The
following is his/her words and drawings, which has been given into the public domain.
- Spirit of Ma’at LLC
Introduction
It is suggested you try this out to begin with on a second vehicle you own, one that you
don't need to live with everyday, until you perfect this technology.
Do-it-yourself plans allow the individual (that's you and me, folks) to make a difference.
This is the easiest and lowest-cost way to convert your car to run on (relatively) free
energy.
Now, with existing technology, anyone can stand up and make a difference by reducing the
local automotive pollution, eliminate gasoline expenses, help restore our atmosphere, and
breathe a little easier.
In putting these plans into operation, you will be making use of your entire existing system
except for the fuel tank and the catalytic converter.
The Plan
Build and install a low-cost alternative method for running your vehicle (internal
combustion engine) on tap water, using off-the-shelf components.
This is simply an efficient way to convert ordinary tap water into gaseous hydrogen and
oxygen, and then burn these vapors in the engine, instead of gasoline.
This "minisystem" runs easily from your existing battery and electrical system, and it
plugs into your carburetor with simple off-the-shelf fittings.
You will be installing a plastic water tank, a control circuit, a reaction chamber, a hipressure
carb/FI fitting, and 3 gauges, and then hooking into your existing carb/FI.
The simplicity comes from its being an "on-demand" system requiring no fancy storage or
plumbing. You crank the gas pedal or throttle, and you electrically create more vapor for
immediate consumption, on demand; low-high flow rate as needed, from idle to maximum
power. The only real change is that you are using tap water as fuel, instead of the
traditional petroleum-based fuel.
Given a choice, which way would you choose?
Frequently Asked Questions
Q: Does it really work ?
A: Yes; this is well-established technology dating back to stainless steel. But be sure to
follow these instructions using the proper mechanical and electrical assembly techniques,
as this plan incorporates the best qualities of several techniques.
Q: How does it qualify as "free energy"?
A: If you're paying someone for the water you use, then it is not strictly free. But the
alternative is to keep buying into expen$ive ga$oline and its resultant hydrocarbon
pollution.
Q: Is it safe?
A: Technically, it is safer than running on fossil fuel because you are no longer choking on
your own emissions (health-wise). In general, it is practically as safe as your current
gasoline arrangement. You will be installing a few simple safety devices, using current
automotive standards.
Q: What kind of performance can I expect?
A: Properly adjusted, your modified vapor-only fuel system will run cooler, and at a
modestly higher power level. The mileage performance expected from this design ranges
from 50-300 mpg (of water), depending on your adjusting skills.
Q: Can I do the modification myself?
A: Why not? If you don't have any mechanical skills, and you know someone with basic
mechanical and/or electrical skills, you can even delegate some of the construction. If you
are using a fuel-injected engine, you may have to get a mechanic's opinion. [There will have
to be an adapter inserted into the fuel-injection system, just as you would have to do if
you were going to run on propane, hydrogen, or natural gas. Ed.)
Q: What is the environmental impact that my vehicle will have?
A: It will be producing H20 steam (water vapor) and unburnt O2 (Oxygen). Hence, it will be
cleaning the environment, rather than dumping nauseous toxins into it. Plus you will be
helping to save our dwindling supply of atmospheric oxygen. Any excess vapor in the
reaction becomes either steam or oxygen. You can also expect to be receiving more than
casual interest from those around you.
Q: Isn’t this really a steam engine?
A: No. Really. Exceedingly high temperature and pressure are not used. This is strictly an
internal-combustion engine (burning orthohydrogen) with residual steam in the exhaust as
a by-product.
There are a few things you should know about gasoline:
Gasoline as a fuel is not necessary; it is optional.
Gasoline versus Water
There is a lot of thermochemical energy in gasoline, but there is even more energy in
water. The DOE (Department of Energy) has quoted about 40%, so it is probably much
more than that.
Most people are unaware that "internal combustion" is defined as "a thermo-vapor
process" - as in "no liquid in the reaction." Most of the gasoline in a standard internal
combustion engine is actually consumed, (cooked, and finally, broken down) in the catalytic
converter after the fuel has been not-so-burnt in the engine. Sadly, this means that most
of the fuel we use in this way is used only to cool down the combustion process, a pollutionridden
and inefficient means of doing that.
How It Works
Exceedingly simple. Water is pumped as needed to replenish and maintain the liquid level in
the chamber. The electrodes are vibrated with a 0.5-5A electrical pulse which breaks
2(H2O) => 2H2 + O2. When the pressure reaches say 30-60 psi, you turn the key and go.
You step on the pedal, you send more energy to the electrodes, and thus more vapor to the
cylinders; i.e. fuel vapor on demand.
You set the idle max-flow rate to get the most efficient use of power, and you're off to
the races.
In the big picture, your free energy is coming from the tap water in an open system, as
the latent energy in the water is enough to power the engine and hence drive the
alternator and whatever belt-driven accessories. And the alternator is efficient enough to
run the various electrical loads (10 - 20 amps), including the additional low current to run
this vapor reaction. No extra batteries are required.
STEP BY STEP CONSTRUCTION (Please refer to diagrams at the end of this document)
OVERVIEW - Here is the suggested sequence of steps:
1. Install the CHT (or EGT) gauge and measure your current operating temp range
(gasoline), for comparison.
2. Build and test the controller to verify the correct pulse output.
3. Build the reaction chamber and test it with the controller (i.e pressure out).
4. Install the tank, controller, chamber, and pressure fittings.
5. Run engine and adjust the control circuit as necessary for best performance.
6. Install the stainless steel valves and get the pistons/cylinders coated with ceramic.
7. Coat the exhaust system with ceramic without the catalytic converter (or let it rust out
and then replace the whole dang thang with stainless steel pipe sections).
YOU WILL NEED
plastic water tank with pump and level sensor.
control circuit, wiring, connectors, and epoxy.
reaction chamber with electrodes and fittings.
3/8" stainless steel flex-tubing, fittings and clamps.
carb/FI vapor-pressure fitting kit. - pressure, CHT (or EGT), & level gauges.
stainless steel valves.
copper mesh junction.
ceramic surface treatment for cylinders & pistons.
stainless steel or ceramic treated exhaust assembly.
BASIC TOOLS
drill, screwdriver and pliers
hole cutter
wire-wrap, solder-iron and clippers
DVM and oscilloscope.

[2Fbodcru]

More:

REACTION CHAMBER
Construct as shown in the diagrams. Use a section of 4" PVC waste pipe with a threaded
screw-cap fitting on one end and a standard end-cap at the other. Make sure to drill-andepoxy
or tap threads thru the PVC components for all fittings. Set and control the water
level in the chamber so that it well submerses the pipe electrodes; yet leave some
headroom to build up the hydrogen/oxygen vapor pressure. Use stainless steel wires inside
the chamber or otherwise use a protective coating; use insulated wires outside. Ensure
that the epoxy perfects the seal, or otherwise lay down a bead of water-proof silicone
that can hold pressure.
The screw fitting may require soft silicone sealant, or a gasket; its purpose is to hold
pressure and allow periodic inspection of the electrodes. No leaks, no problems. Make sure
you get a symmetric 1-5mm gap between the 2 stainless steel pipes. The referenced
literature suggests that the closer to 1mm you get, the better. You will want to get your
chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.
Make your solder connections at the wire/electrode junctions nice, smooth, and solid; then
apply a water-proof coating, e.g. the epoxy you use for joining the pipes to the screw cap.
This epoxy must be waterproof and be capable of holding metal to plastic under pressure.
You will want to get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.

CONTROL CIRCUIT
The diagrams show a simple circuit to control and drive this mini-system. You are going to
make a 'square-pulse' signal that 'plays' the electrodes like a tuning fork; which you can
watch on an oscilloscope. The premise given by the literature is: the faster you want do go
down the road, the 'fatter' you make the pulses going into the reaction chamber. Duty
cycle will vary with the throttle in the vicinity of 90%MARK 10%SPACE (OFF/ON).
There is nothing sacred about how the pulse waveform is generated; there are many ways
to generate pulses, and the attached diagrams show a few. The diagram shows the NE555-
circuit approach from the referenced patent. The output switching transistor must be
rated for 1-5 amps @ 12VDC (in saturation).
Go with a plan that works for you or your friendly neighborhood technoid or mechanic, and
go get all the circuit elements from your local electronics store, such as Radio-Shack or
Circuits-R-Us, including the circuit board, IC sockets, and enclosure/box.
DigiKey has better selection, service, and knowledge; plus they have no minimum order. Be
sure to use a circuit board with a built-in ground plane, and to accommodate room for
mounting 2 or 3 of the gauges. Mounting the reaction chamber in the engine compartment
will require running a stub to your pressure gauge where you can watch it.
You can easily make 30-gauge wire-wrap connections between the socket pins and thruhole
discrete components having wire leads. Also make sure to get spec sheets on any IC
you use. More details of the best circuits to use will be announced pending prototype
testing. You will want to get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap
on.
Throttle Control
If you have a throttle position sensor, you should be able to access the signal from the
sensor itself OR from the computer connector. This signal is input to the circuit as the
primary control (i.e. throttle level = pulse width = vapor rate).
If you don't have such a signal available, you will have to rig a rotary POT (variable
resistor) to the gas linkage (i.e. coupled to something at the gas pedal or throttle cable
running to the carb or FI. If you make the attachment at the carb/FI, be sure to use a
POT that can handle the engine temp cycles. Don't use a cheezy-cheapy POT; get one
rated for long life and mechanical wear; mount it securely to something sturdy and
stationary that will not fall apart when you step on the gas.
Control Range. The full throttle RANGE (idle-max) MUST control the vapor rate, i.e. pulsewidth
(duty). The resistor values at the throttle signal must allow the throttle signal
voltage, say 1-4 Volt swing, to drive the VAPOR RATE. You will be using this voltage swing
to generate a 10% ON 'square' pulse. The patent implies using a 'resonant' pulse in the 10-
250 KHz frequency range; but it is not explicitly stated so.
In this circuit, you will simply tune to whatever frequency makes the most efficient vapor
conversion. You will have to get into the specs for each IC you use, to insure you connect
the right pins to the right wires, to control the frequency and pulse width. You can use
spare sockets to try out different discrete component values. Just keep the ones that are
spec-compatible in the circuit, and get the job done.
You crank up the throttle signal and put more electrical energy (fatter pulses) into the
electrodes; verify you can get 10% duty on the scope (2 - 100 usec on the horizontal timebase).
Your averaging DVM will display the 90%-10% DC voltage across the output
transistor (Vce or Vds or Output to Ground). Set and connect DVM in the supply current
and measure .5 - 5 amps, without blowing the DVM fuse. Now verify that you got
everything you wanted.
Verify your wiring connections using your DVM as a continuity detector. Check your wiring
1 at a time and yellow line your final schematic as you go. You can best use board-mount
miniature POTs for anything you want to set-and-forget. The LEDs are there to give you a
quick visual check of normal vs abnormal operation of your new creation. You will want to
get your chamber level sensor verified before you epoxy the cap on.
CARB/FI CONNECTION
The diagram also shows that fittings are required to the carb/FI l. There are ready-made
kits (such as by Impco) available for making your pressure fittings to the carburetor or
fuel-injector as the case may be. You will necessarily be sealing the built-in vents and
making a 1-way air-intake.
The copper mesh comprises the inadvertent backfire' protection for the reaction
chamber. Make sure that all vapor/duct junctions are air-tight and holding full pressure
without leakage. Your new 'system' is considered successful and properly adjusted when
you get the full power range at lower temp and minimum vapor flow without blowing the
pressure safety valve.
CHT (or EGT)
Monitor your engine temp with the CHT (cylinder head temp) or EGT (exhaust gas temp)
instead of your original engine temp indicator (if any). Your existing gauge is too slow for
this application and will not warn you against overheating until after you have burnt
something. Make sure that your engine runs no hotter than in the gasoline arrangement.
VDO makes a CHT gauge with a platinum sensor that fits under your spark plug against the
cylinder head (make sure it is really clean before you re-install your spark plug (as this is
also an electrical ground).

[2Fbodcru]

The rest except for the diagrams:

ENGINE/EXHAUST TREATMENT
Get the valves replaced with stainless steel ones and get the pistons/cylinders ceramictreated
ASAP when you have successfully converted and run your new creation. Do not
delay as these items will rust, either by sheer use or by neglect (i.e. letting it sit). You
could make max use of your current exhaust system by using it with your new deal until it
rusts through, then have your mechanic or welder friend to fit a stainless steel exhaust
pipe (no catalytic converter is required). But it could be easier and cheaper to send your
existing exhaust system out for the ceramic treatment, and then simply re-attach it to
the exhaust ports.
GENERAL
1. Do not discard or remove any of the old gasoline setup components, e.g. tank, carb/FI,
catalytic converter, unless necessary. Better to always leave an easy way to revert back to
something that at least runs, just in case. Some people are leaving their gasoline setup
completely intact, and switching back and forth at will, just to have a backup plan.
2. Set your throttle circuit so that you get minimum vapor flow at idle, and maximum vapor
flow at full power without blowing the pressure relief valve. In this way, you control how
'lean' your mixture is by the strength of the pulse (i.e. “fatness” at the optimum pulse
frequency).
3. If you just don't get enough power (at any throttle setting), it means that you need to
(1) change the pulse frequency, (2) change the gap between the electrodes, (3) change the
size (bigger) electrodes, or (4) make a higher output pulse voltage (last resort). Always use
an output transistor, such as a MOSFET, that is rated for the voltage and current you
need to get the job done. OK so you might have to play around with it some. Isn't that
where all the Fun is anyhow?
4. If you get any engine knock our loud combustions (not compensated by adjusting the
timing), it means that you need to install an additional coil in the chamber, and drive the
coil with an additional pulse signal (about 19 Hz on the .1sec time base (see diagram). Here,
you will be slowing down the burn rate just enough so that the vapors burn thru out the
power stroke of the piston. Be sure to include a board-mount POT to set the correct
strength of this 2nd pulse signal into the coil. This is a stainless steel coil of about 1500
turns (thin wire) that you can arrange like a donut around the center pipe (but NOT
touching either electrode), directly over the circular 1-5mm gap. You want no knocking at
any power/throttle setting; smooth power only, but also no excess hydrogen leftover from
the combustion.
5. Build the canister(s) as tall as you can without compromising your ability to mount them
conveniently near the dash panel, or in the engine compartment, as the case may be. This
way, you can always make the electrodes bigger, if necessary without undue hardship.
Remember that anything in the engine compartment should be mounted in a bullet-proof,
vibration and temperature tolerant fashion.
6. If you have to drill a thru-hole for wiring or plumbing thru metal, make sure to also
install a grommet for protection against chafing. Always watch your chamber pressure
range from IDLE (15-25 psi) - FULL POWER (30-60 psi). Set your safety-pressure reliefvalve
to 75 psi and make sure it's rated for much higher.
7. Shut OFF the power switch and pull over if there is any malfunction of the system. Your
engine will last longest when it still develops FULL POWER+ at some minimum temperature
that we are sure you can find, by leaning back the Royal Vapor Flow and/or by making use
of the water-vapor cooling technique (see diagram). Keep good mpg performance records,
and periodic maintenance/inspection. Keep it clean; save some money; clean the air; heal
the planet; happy motoring; tell a friend; enjoy your freedom and self-empowerment.
8. There lacks documented material for perfecting this vapor system thru a fuel injector;
there may be some details you will discover on your own as working prototypes progress.
For example, you may be restricted to inject the hydrogen/oxygen vapor without any
water vapor, as it may rust the injectors. If engine temp and CHT is a problem, then you
will want to re-think your plan, e.g. ceramic-coating the injectors. There is always
“replacing the FI system with a Carb.”
9. If you install the water-vapor system (for lower operating temp/stress), you will want
to lean the mixture (vapor/air) for minimum vapor flow rate to achieve any given throttle
position (idle - max). Make sure that you get a minimum flow for IDLE and a modestly
sufficient flow for MAX, that does the cooling job without killing the combustion.
10. If you cannot find stainless steel pipe combinations that yield the 1-5mm gap, you can
always regress back to alternating plates of +/- electrodes.
11. If you are concerned about the water freezing in your system, you can (a) add some
98% isopropyl alcohol and re-adjust the pulse frequency accordingly; or (b) install some
electric heating coils.
12. Do not let ANYONE ever compromise your dream, your freedom, your independence or
your truth.
REFERENCES
Stephen Chambers 'Apparatus for Producing Orthohydrogen and/or
Parahydrogen' US Patent 6126794, uspto.gov
Stanley Meyer 'Method for the Production of a Fuel Gas' US Patent 4936961,
uspto.gov
Creative Science & Research, 'Fuel From Water', fuelless.com
Carl Cella “A Water-Fuelled Car” Nexus Magazine Oct-Nov 1996
Peter Lindemann “Where in the World is All the Free Energy”, free-energy.cc <http://www.free-energy.cc/>
George Wiseman “The Gas-Saver and HyCO Series” eagle-research.com <http://www.eagle-research.com/>
C. Michael Holler “The Dromedary Newsletter” and “SuperCarb Techniques”
Stephen Chambers “Prototype Vapor Fuel System” xogen.com <http://www.xogen.com/>
COMMON LAW COPYRIGHT #285714: All rights to the use and duplication of these plans are hereby reserved for the People,
in their efforts to heal and restore the environment. Dare to express your uniqueness and environmental ideals. This
technology is an exercise in responsible self-determination.
DISCLAIMER: The Spirit of Ma'at LLC and the Spirit of Ma'at ezine and the author of this document assumes no liability for
the use or misuse of this information; which is made available as public-domain information and free of charge, for the
purposes of education, ecology, health, well-being, freedom, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

[Kevin - Blown 95 TA]

I did a search but didn't find anything about this.

http://www.thelastfourbooks.com/Joe_Cell/WaterFuel.wmv

Very interesting stuff goin on there. 4oz of water will go 100 miles!!
If we put our money that goes to oil into this, it would change alot of things.

Water would somehow get expensive. Bottled water already costs more than gasoline per gallon. The government would find a way to tax it, and it would become illegal to collect rainwater in a barrel. It would do something unexpected to the rain forest, the ozone layer, and the spotted owl.