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  • Get the govt off of my lead foot!

    Many of you know me as an Obama fan. This however, I am not very happy about at all. I really do not think this is necessary. What will this do to performance cars down the line??? A Volt SS?



    U.S. to Issue Tougher Fuel Standards for Automobiles

    JOHN M. BRODER
    Published: May 18, 2009

    WASHINGTON —The Obama administration will issue new national emissions and mileage requirements for cars and light trucks to resolve a long-running conflict among the states, the federal government and auto manufacturers, industry officials said Monday.

    President Obama will announce as early as Tuesday that he will combine California’s tough new auto-emissions rules with the existing corporate average fuel economy standard to create a single new national standard, the officials said. As a result, cars and light trucks sold in the United States will be roughly 30 percent cleaner and more fuel-efficient by 2016.

    The White House would not divulge details, but environmental advocates and industry officials briefed on the program said that the president would grant California’s longstanding request to implement its tailpipe standards. Thirteen other states and the District of Columbia have said they intend to apply the same rules. That request had been denied by the Bush administration but has been under review by top Obama administration officials since January.

    Yet Mr. Obama is planning to go further, effectively issuing a single mileage rule for both fuel economy and emissions that matches California’s strictest-in-the-nation standard.

    Under that new standard, the national fleet mileage rule for cars would be roughly 42 miles a gallon in 2016. Light trucks would have to meet a fleet average of slightly more than 26.2 miles a gallon by 2016.

    “This is a very big deal,” said Daniel Becker of the Safe Climate Campaign, a group that has pushed for tougher mileage and emissions standards with the goal of curbing the heat-trapping gases that have been linked to global warming. “This is the single biggest step the American government has ever taken to cut greenhouse-gas emissions.”

    Industry officials spoke on condition of anonymity about the program because they said they did not want to comment publicly in advance of the White House announcement.

    The current standards are 27.5 miles a gallon for cars and about 24 miles a gallon for trucks. The new mileage and emissions rules will gradually tighten, beginning with 2011 models, until they reach the 2016 standards.

    The auto industry is not expected to challenge the rule, which provides two things they have long asked for: certainty on a timetable and a single national standard.

    The administration has been under a self-imposed June 30 deadline to decide whether to grant California’s application to impose new emissions rules. President Obama became personally involved in the issue because he is also trying to find a way to rescue the American automobile companies from their financial crisis.

    One top industry official said the administration wanted to get the new mileage rules in place before General Motors makes a decision on a bankruptcy filing, which could happen by the end of the month.

    The new rules also provide some certainty for Chrysler, which is already under bankruptcy protection, so that it can plan its future models.

    Mr. Obama directed the Environmental Protection Agency in January to reconsider the Bush administration’s past rejection of the California application. The president also instructed the Transportation Department to draw up rules to supplement a 2007 law requiring a 40 percent improvement in gas mileage for autos and light trucks by 2020.

    The Bush administration failed to write any regulations to enforce the 2007 law.

    Daniel J. Weiss, an environmental policy analyst at the liberal Center for American Progress, said that under the White House plan, California would retain the ability to set its own emissions standards in the future when the current program expires.

    He also said that the new administration program was very close in language and intent to a provision in the climate change and energy bill now before the House Energy and Commerce Committee. That bill calls for a "harmonization" of the California and federal regulatory programs to provide a nationwide standard.

    He said the standards were being written so that the car companies would already be on track to meet the standards set in the first few years of the program. The cars and trucks that will be sold in that period are already in the design phase. But starting in 2013 and 2014, the new rules will begin to bite, Mr. Weiss said.

    "The rubber really meets the road in 2014," he said.

    Mr. Obama has been thinking about the future of the American automobile industry for years. In 2006, during his second year as a United States senator, he co-sponsored a bill to raise fuel economy standards and another to encourage the use of alternative fuels.

    During the presidential campaign, he gave a speech in Detroit chastising the American automobile industry for doing too little to reduce the nation’s dependence on foreign oil and to improve the vehicles’ fuel efficiency.

    "The auto industry’s refusal to act for so long has left it mired in a predicament for which there is no easy way out," Mr. Obama said.

    That inaction was one factor that brought General Motors and Chrysler to their current dire state, requiring billions in federal bailouts and Chrysler’s forced marriage to Fiat to survive.

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  • #2
    Anything to strangle an already dire situation. Thats politics...

    Although, strangely, I like the idea of a Volt SS...
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Joshu
      What will this do to performance cars down the line???
      Probably not much. Performance cars are a small part of just about every automaker's lineup. Unless I'm mistaken, the fleet standard means the average fuel economy must be 42 mpg. So if a company sells 4 economy cars that get 50 mpg and 1 performance car that gets 10 mpg that makes for a fleet average of 42 mpg.
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      • #4
        Are you kidding?

        This guy and those who pushed him into office haven't even started.

        There will be restrictions on the cars you already have. The 50 state legal parts used for mods will be become illegal.

        The cap and trade proposal will cause utility prices to skyrocket.

        Personally, I am more concerned about the ban on w00d burning as I use what is now an EPA compliant w00d burning stove to heat my home.

        The draconian environmental agenda is one reason I did not support nor will I ever support this administration.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by FroSSty

          Although, strangely, I like the idea of a Volt SS...
          people don't realize the torque available from electric motors. I can see an AWD electric car ripping from zero to 100 mph in the blink of an eye while remaining fairly silent enough to not attract the attention from Johnny Law.

          I'll be the first on the block to sign up for that.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Joe 1320
            people don't realize the torque available from electric motors. I can see an AWD electric car ripping from zero to 100 mph in the blink of an eye while remaining fairly silent enough to not attract the attention from Johnny Law.

            I'll be the first on the block to sign up for that.

            But after you hit 100mph you have to stop cause your batteries ran out.
            No F-Body right now

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            • #7
              what bout the lead and acid in the batteries after they are used up?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mark B
                But after you hit 100mph you have to stop cause your batteries ran out.
                It all depends on how you set it up. It won't be long before battery technology catches up to what we already know about applying the current.

                Originally posted by Trash man
                what bout the lead and acid in the batteries after they are used up?
                Current batteries are lithium polymer. No lead at all. To give you an idea of the how well they work, I have a battery pack about the size of a 12 oz can of soda, weighs about the same that can supply 180 amps continuous discharge for minutes at a time. Peak discharge would be over 300 Amps. Think of what a lithium battery pack the size of a typical car battery could produce!

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                • #9
                  Folks this is nothing but a way to tax comsumers to give the federal government more money to buy votes. The car companies will never meet 40mpg CAFE so what will happen is they will pass the penalty for not making it down to the people buying their cars.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mark B
                    But after you hit 100mph you have to stop cause your batteries ran out.
                    Did you see Top Gear tested the Tesla? After 20 minutes of testing they had to have it towed back to their garage so it could be plugged in and recharged for 8 hours.

                    That's convenient.

                    Battery technology isn't even close to being ready for these applications.
                    Tracy
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                    • #11
                      they are getting their battery wise. this week an article by reasearchers found (sciencedaily.com)that using sulpher-molybdenum(sic?) combo that replaced a more expensive component of lithium they can stor 4 times the amount of energy than the best lithium battery on the market - and cheaper to boot! so we are ~ 5 years away from seeing some decent batteries
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rhode Island Red
                        they are getting their battery wise. this week an article by reasearchers found (sciencedaily.com)that using sulpher-molybdenum(sic?) combo that replaced a more expensive component of lithium they can stor 4 times the amount of energy than the best lithium battery on the market - and cheaper to boot! so we are ~ 5 years away from seeing some decent batteries
                        That's great news. I've been actively following battery technology and hadn't heard that yet. That means the 12 oz soda can battery just shrank to the size of a cell phone.

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