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  • #1

    tire help

    i need some tire help. I know this isnt the brightest thing to do but i needed something pretty quick. i bought a used tire 275/35/18 because my front tire got slashed(how? who knows) I didnt buy new cause they were to darn expensive right now. the tire i got has 10/32 so its about the same as my other front. Anyway it showed up today(ebay) and i see a few issues with it and was wondering if you guy could take a look and see if its ok to use. It says on there site all there used tires are at or above federal standards ect.

    hole in tread with patch underneath


    inside of patch?

    edge of lip on tire.


    97 ws6 6sp 40k miles 355 cubes strange s 60 rear 373 gears. other stuff! 360rwhp

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  • #2
    the bead is worse. that tire is a no go.

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    • #3
      I've never been a fan of patching a tire as I've always used plugs. However, with that said, I see no real issue with the patch. It looks like it was applied right.

      The bead could be an issue, but without seeing how it mounts to the wheel, I can't say for sure. If it seals, you're good to go. If the patch fails, you'll loose air. I wouldn't do any autocrossing or drag racing with this tire. But other than that, you're probably fine.
      Al 96 Ram Air T/A
      Mods: Build # 784 * Hotchkis STB * SFCs * Borla cat back w/QTP cut-out * AS&M/RK Sports Mid-length headers w/single CAT * Koni SA shocks on lower perch w/ lowered rear * Strano Hollow front & rear antisway bars * 1LE front/rear springs * 1LE aluminum driveshaft * Strange 4.10 gears w/ Zexel Torsen diff. * ARP bearing cap studs & aluminum diff cover* J&M Hotpart poly/poly rear LCAs and poly/poly panhard bar * RAM Powergrip clutch w/ LT4 PP and RAM billet Al flywheel * C5 Z06 brakes * C6 Z06 wheels * Spohn T/A * Spohn DS Loop * fully custom interior w/ custom audio

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      • #4
        tire is a no go, the hole is on the sidewall part of the tire, the bead is ok but i wouldnt trust my future kids life on that tire
        2009 Honda Civic EX- the daily beater

        old toys - 1983 trans am, 1988 trans am, 1986 IROC-Z, 2002 Ram Off-Road, 1984 K10, 1988 Mustang GT, 2006 Silverado 2500HD

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        • #5
          Side wall? I though this was on the tread, not the side wall.

          Page Ken...he's the authority on this.
          Al 96 Ram Air T/A
          Mods: Build # 784 * Hotchkis STB * SFCs * Borla cat back w/QTP cut-out * AS&M/RK Sports Mid-length headers w/single CAT * Koni SA shocks on lower perch w/ lowered rear * Strano Hollow front & rear antisway bars * 1LE front/rear springs * 1LE aluminum driveshaft * Strange 4.10 gears w/ Zexel Torsen diff. * ARP bearing cap studs & aluminum diff cover* J&M Hotpart poly/poly rear LCAs and poly/poly panhard bar * RAM Powergrip clutch w/ LT4 PP and RAM billet Al flywheel * C5 Z06 brakes * C6 Z06 wheels * Spohn T/A * Spohn DS Loop * fully custom interior w/ custom audio

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          • #6
            I've had two tires that had holes in them close to the tire shoulder and I had to scrap them. They can't be fixed properly and most reputable tire places will not patch them either. Here is a link to one of many different sites on the web that will tell you the same thing. http://tirewarehouse.net/site/flat_repair.html Ken will also tell you the same thing since he advised me to replace my tire when I asked a similar question of him on this board.
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            • #7
              yea i meant shoulder, not sidewall
              2009 Honda Civic EX- the daily beater

              old toys - 1983 trans am, 1988 trans am, 1986 IROC-Z, 2002 Ram Off-Road, 1984 K10, 1988 Mustang GT, 2006 Silverado 2500HD

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              • #8
                dont use that tire................ dont.

                The Goldens: Reno and Rocky

                2008 C6, M6, LS3, Corsa Extreme C/B, (it flys) & 2008 Yukon loaded (Titanic), 03 Ford Focus..everydaydriver.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Al 96 Ram Air T/A
                  I've never been a fan of patching a tire as I've always used plugs. However, with that said, I see no real issue with the patch. It looks like it was applied right.

                  The bead could be an issue, but without seeing how it mounts to the wheel, I can't say for sure. If it seals, you're good to go. If the patch fails, you'll loose air. I wouldn't do any autocrossing or drag racing with this tire. But other than that, you're probably fine.
                  plugs!!!!!!!!!! omg broh... no no no no... in fact, NHTSA is getting ready to outlaw plugs. I can't tell you how many tire failure analysis cases I investigated and linked it to the plug repair. I also served as Govt. expert witness in a plug repaired tire death law suit against the U.S. Govt.

                  Plugs do not seal the inner liner of the tire. The inner liner of a tubeless radial is the tube of the tire. Air and moisture begins to migrate through the injury and "charges" the tire casing... eventually, the steel belt package begins to rust, which can lead to total tire failure: ie: belt sepearation = blow out.

                  The only way to properly repair a radial tire puncture is with a uni plug-patch:

                  It's inserted through the inner liner with the tire dismounted and pulled through the puncture hole and patch sealed on the inner liner...


                  The Goldens: Reno and Rocky

                  2008 C6, M6, LS3, Corsa Extreme C/B, (it flys) & 2008 Yukon loaded (Titanic), 03 Ford Focus..everydaydriver.

                  Wolfdog Rescue Resources, Inc.:http://www.wrr-inc.org
                  Home Page: http://www.renokeo.com
                  sold: 97 Firehawk, 97 Comp T/A, 2005 GTO, 2008 Solstice GXP turbo.

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                  • #10
                    Great info, thanks Ken.
                    97 Trans Am A4 more or less stock (Mods: WS6 Ram Air with Fernco & K&N, 12 disc CD changer, power antenna, SLP Fan Switch, LS1 Aluminum DS, Borla Cat back, McCord power plate, Spohn tower brace, Sirius, HID fog lights)


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                    • #11
                      Really??/ Plugs are bad??? Damn, I'm behind the times.


                      I thought a few years back they recommended using patches.(?) But then, the experts said "no patches" because they were causing issues with trapping air/water between the layers of the tire. So I thought I remember hearing that plugs were back in. I didn't realize they were talking about internal plugs like in you picture.

                      I've used for for 20 years and never thought twice about it. I assumed it was the best fix, as long as you didn't intend on autocrossing or driving at high speeds for long periods of time.
                      Al 96 Ram Air T/A
                      Mods: Build # 784 * Hotchkis STB * SFCs * Borla cat back w/QTP cut-out * AS&M/RK Sports Mid-length headers w/single CAT * Koni SA shocks on lower perch w/ lowered rear * Strano Hollow front & rear antisway bars * 1LE front/rear springs * 1LE aluminum driveshaft * Strange 4.10 gears w/ Zexel Torsen diff. * ARP bearing cap studs & aluminum diff cover* J&M Hotpart poly/poly rear LCAs and poly/poly panhard bar * RAM Powergrip clutch w/ LT4 PP and RAM billet Al flywheel * C5 Z06 brakes * C6 Z06 wheels * Spohn T/A * Spohn DS Loop * fully custom interior w/ custom audio

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                      • #12
                        I had one failure with a tire plug several years back. It was in my wife's Regal GS. I was driving home from work and the car pulled HARD right. Turns out, the dealer had plugged one of the tires before we bought it and it failed at 40 mph. Luckily I was able to control it and stop on a side road.

                        I've never seen the internal repair plugs before. Interesting. Thanks for posting, Ken.
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                        • #13
                          So, to follow up, is there anything a DIY'er can do to fix a tire?

                          I know a can of fix-a-flat is not considered sufficient. Is the only option to go to a garage and get it fixed? I doubt the shops around here in NJ will do anything but use a hot patch. I work down by a shipping port, so there are nails/screws everywhere. Someone gets a flat almost every month
                          Al 96 Ram Air T/A
                          Mods: Build # 784 * Hotchkis STB * SFCs * Borla cat back w/QTP cut-out * AS&M/RK Sports Mid-length headers w/single CAT * Koni SA shocks on lower perch w/ lowered rear * Strano Hollow front & rear antisway bars * 1LE front/rear springs * 1LE aluminum driveshaft * Strange 4.10 gears w/ Zexel Torsen diff. * ARP bearing cap studs & aluminum diff cover* J&M Hotpart poly/poly rear LCAs and poly/poly panhard bar * RAM Powergrip clutch w/ LT4 PP and RAM billet Al flywheel * C5 Z06 brakes * C6 Z06 wheels * Spohn T/A * Spohn DS Loop * fully custom interior w/ custom audio

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                          • #14
                            Those plus that Ken mentioned are vulcanizing plugs. once inserted, they literally get melted to the tire, effectively fusing the patch and the tire together. Good stuff.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Joe 1320
                              Those plus that Ken mentioned are vulcanizing plugs. once inserted, they literally get melted to the tire, effectively fusing the patch and the tire together. Good stuff.
                              the only way........

                              lets face it........your well being, and the your cars well being rely on those 4 rubber donuts .........why skimp?

                              The Goldens: Reno and Rocky

                              2008 C6, M6, LS3, Corsa Extreme C/B, (it flys) & 2008 Yukon loaded (Titanic), 03 Ford Focus..everydaydriver.

                              Wolfdog Rescue Resources, Inc.:http://www.wrr-inc.org
                              Home Page: http://www.renokeo.com
                              sold: 97 Firehawk, 97 Comp T/A, 2005 GTO, 2008 Solstice GXP turbo.

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