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    My buddy has a 94 Camero Z28 that doesn't downshift back into first when coming to a stop. The automatic tranny was just rebuilt, so he took it back and they said nothing was wrong with the tranny. They ran it on the computer and it said the mass air flow sensor was going. He is also getting Check Engine light. Could this be the reason why the tranny won't shift back down?
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  • #2
    He needs to get is scanned and see what the code is. I know the trans place says it's the MAF. but I don't see how that would effect the transmission. There are a bunch of things that the ECM monitors with the trans. It can tell you a lot of things. It sounds like it might have a bad electronic solenoid.
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    • #3
      Sounds like a trans problem to me. The PCM uses MPH and TPS to calculate up/down shift points. I don't see where the MAF is involved. You might want to reset the PCM to clear the code. Maybe it was an old one.
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      • #4
        I seriously doubt it's his MAFS, it's definitely gotta do with his tranny.
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        • #5
          Which tranny is it..? 4L60 "700R4" or the 4L60E..?

          The 93's and early 94's have the 700R4 which has a detent cable to down shift the tranny... If it does have the detent cable, that may be the problem, it may need to be adjusted.

          If it is the 4L60E, it very well could be a shift solenoid "they can get damaged from removal."

          Regardless which tranny he has, both problem solutions are a common result of a tranny R&R...
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          • #6
            If it is a 94 as stated (and stock), it will be a 4L60E.
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            • #7
              Yes, it is the stock tranny and I forgot to mention he had a shift kit installed when it was rebuilt. It sounds to me like that detent cable needs to be adjusted. Are these hard to adjust yourself or should he take it back to the repair shop?
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              Comp Cam XE262H
              Ported E7 heads
              Summit long tubes
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              Duraspark Ignition with GM HEI module

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              • #8
                Originally posted by foxxed84
                Yes, it is the stock tranny and I forgot to mention he had a shift kit installed when it was rebuilt. It sounds to me like that detent cable needs to be adjusted. Are these hard to adjust yourself or should he take it back to the repair shop?
                A 4L60E has no detent cable. It's electronically controlled (hence the E in the designation).
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                • #9
                  Does it have a dentent cable?

                  Some early 94's did have the 4L60 "700R4." But, since the car does have a MAF sensor, I think you may have the 4L60E, but I'm not sure...

                  But, I do know for a fact; some 94's had the 700R4...
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DarkEnhancement
                    But, I do know for a fact; some 94's had the 700R4...
                    That's the first time I've heard that
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DarkEnhancement
                      Does it have a dentent cable?

                      Some early 94's did have the 4L60 "700R4." But, since the car does have a MAF sensor, I think you may have the 4L60E, but I'm not sure...

                      But, I do know for a fact; some 94's had the 700R4...
                      In the 7 years I have been following the 4th gen f-body, this is the first time I have seen anyone post that.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DarkEnhancement
                        Does it have a dentent cable?

                        Some early 94's did have the 4L60 "700R4." But, since the car does have a MAF sensor, I think you may have the 4L60E, but I'm not sure...

                        But, I do know for a fact; some 94's had the 700R4...

                        Don't think so........ then again, the 89 Turbo TA had a twin turbo 350.


                        Seriously, there's nothing from the factory that states that a 700R4 was used off the assembly line. Never seen one, never heard of one so this is unique. The 4L60 is almost the identical transmission, the 4L60E being the electronic controlled version.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by foxxed84
                          My buddy has a 94 Camero Z28 that doesn't downshift back into first when coming to a stop. The automatic tranny was just rebuilt, so he took it back and they said nothing was wrong with the tranny. They ran it on the computer and it said the mass air flow sensor was going. He is also getting Check Engine light. Could this be the reason why the tranny won't shift back down?
                          This tranny, in the f-body, is an "E".....

                          So, I am taking it that the tranny will shift down if you manually shift it into first? I would think that it is probably an elec. issue, but not necessarily a shift solenoid...it could be a pressure control issue. Is this the ONLY problem youre having? Does it upshift late? It could be a hanging valve in the valve body....sometimes if the cooler is not flushed after a blown tranny, the metal gets puked into the valve body and wreaks havoc......

                          Highly doubtful that it is the MAF.....but if it is truly coding for a MAF, you should fix that issue FIRST. Then, after thats fixed bring it to your tranny guy and tell him to fix it.....there are a few different possibilities for no 1-2 downshift.
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                          • #14
                            Never heard of a 700R4 being put in a 4th Gen F-body from the factory, The 1994 F-body had a 4L60E.

                            Definitely sounds like a transmission oriented problem. If it were a VSS or TPS sensor problem it would also affect the upshifts. I would probably agree with N20LT4Bird. It is common for trans builders to overlook flushing the stacked plate core and hardlines. If just a bit of trash gets into the valvebody it can cause problems.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by fastTA
                              It is common for trans builders to overlook flushing the stacked plate core and hardlines. If just a bit of trash gets into the valvebody it can cause problems.
                              It is common for BAD tranny builders......
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