This is not cool...

[Christopherrr]

Sorry for the lost Nightrage...

I'm blessed enough not to have to endure such tragedies. But I've grown up with blacks all my life and in high school I found myself in the one of the whitest areas in Georgia. Believe me I had problems in both areas...matter of fact I have problems in my own skin color crowd. It's too the point I don't even see skin color anymore because I've been on both sides of the fences and know how both sides are...everyone is striving to be the "top" race.

My brother has problems at school now with blacks and whites. You can't win...just can't. I just wished everyone took time to learn and understand one another. I guess that's why I've been on the board for so long...everyone here loves f-bodies, regardless of race, color, age or background, we come here with one thing in common. I wished it was that easy for the rest of the world...just love one another.

Every race has its dead beats and honorable people...some of us choose to be with dead beats and losers...while the good just get caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time.

God bless. <><

[Nightrage]

I know that white people can be just as bad but here's how i see it- whenever someone says "Be careful over there, that's a bad area", you know without any further information that it's got either a crap load of blacks, latinos or both. Come on, honestly. No one fears the poor white areas. When was the last time you ever heard of someone being afraid of a trailer park or something? My buddy went into Hempstead (made up mostly of minorities) and within 10 minutes according to him, a couple of black guys approached his car when he was stopped at a red light and told him that if he didn't give up his money, he was in trouble. Needless to say he gave them the money. All throughout high school, white kids harassed the heck out of me. No black kids or spanish kids ever really bothered me. Now that i'm in college though, things are verrrrryyyy different.

[Joe 1320]

No one fears the poor white areas. When was the last time you ever heard of someone being afraid of a trailer park or something? .

That is one big load of crap. Come visit us down here in Florida. It seems like every other week, some poor child or teen is abducted in one of these "trailer parks" and ends up being the subject of a frantic search only to end in tragedy for their families. You cannot say that it is limitied to a specific race. Trash is trash, regardless of the nationality.

[Steel2686]

The worst part is that my sociology class (the one that i should like the most seeing as how psychology is my major) is taught by a bleeding heart liberal. It's torture. If it were up to her, there would be slave reparations, everyone would be involved in an interracial relationship because it's beautiful to be able to accept one another

That's one thing about college.... Most professors are liberals. It's extremely rare to find a right of center prof. I had one that I knew of in my four years of college, but couldn't even count how many were liberal. I think it's mostly due to the fact that conservatives don't preach and yell and stand on a soap box, therefore, are never labeled.

[95TransAm]

Trash is trash, regardless of the nationality.

Perfectly stated....

[TraceZ]

All the good serial killers are white!

[Steel2686]

All the good serial killers are white!

Ha! Good point, TraceZ. At least the serial killers are creative. They always have a theme or signiture. Imagine if they put that kind of effort into curing cancer....

[Ponyrider]

I have read all of the threads and it seems to me that Nightrage you feel only Blacks committs crime. Well its a shame that any race would take another life for any reason. There's more to life than to live racist. I've been in the military for 25 years and there's racist people I deal with everyday. I'm black and I don't agree with black on black crime nor black on white crime either. The problem we have in the world today is kids rising kids. There's no one born racist it's been taught to people. We need to stop teaching racism and start teaching love, respect, and understanding for one another. Life is to short as it is already we shouldn't try to rush it. Everyday we have a chance to change our lives and the people we love lives. Who do we love, the answer should be; We Love Everyone that God has made!!!!!! God made one Adam and one Eve so we all came from the same place. I'm sorry for our lost of your friend and my God Bless you.

[thomas]

Just my 2 cents but I belieive it has alot to do with respect and how kids are raised. Whether it be black or white. If you step back outside the box and look at the way kids are raised now you can see where alot of it comes from. I grew up with my grandparents and thats what we were taught, was respect. I aint perfect by no means! We were taught to respect everyone no matter what color, race, creed or religion or age. I think if you treat everyone with respect you get some in return. Maybe not all the time but in most cases. Back in the day you could have a fight with someone and once it was over it was over and in most cases you shook hands afterwards or laughed about it and became friends. Theres alot of people that I had knock out drag out fights and became friends with. Its not only black people but all races act the same way anymore. Just go out to a club and you can see. I alot of white people that gang up on people and its not just stupid but theres no honor or respect in that. I got in this one fight with a black guy and we slugged it out and at the end he helped me up and that was that. But these people that gang up on people are $ussy's and cowards. Theres nothing wrong with gettin your a$$ beat every now and then. Niterage I feel for you and your family. It sucks. Cowards are all they are!

[TraceZ]

I have read all of the threads and it seems to me that Nightrage you feel only Blacks committs crime. Well its a shame that any race would take another life for any reason. There's more to life than to live racist. I've been in the military for 25 years and there's racist people I deal with everyday. I'm black and I don't agree with black on black crime nor black on white crime either. The problem we have in the world today is kids rising kids. There's no one born racist it's been taught to people. We need to stop teaching racism and start teaching love, respect, and understanding for one another. Life is to short as it is already we shouldn't try to rush it. Everyday we have a chance to change our lives and the people we love lives. Who do we love, the answer should be; We Love Everyone that God has made!!!!!! God made one Adam and one Eve so we all came from the same place. I'm sorry for our lost of your friend and my God Bless you.

Not to hijack the thread, but racism is a problem, and it requires people of all races to make changes. People in the majority need to take more time to make a judgement. In some cases, when you feel your physical well being may be threateded your judgement may be made in haste. This is not racism, this is self preservation. Statistically speaking a young black man is much more likely to try to pull something on you than someone of lighter skin. It is just statistics, not racism that makes me feel uneasy at night if I'm alone downtown a a group of 5 black guys passes me in the street.

At the same time, people in the minority need to pull themselves up. I think it is poverty that leads to violence and lack of education. If you look at things like home ownership blacks fall way behind whites. I do notice, though that even in the bad parts of my city even the poor blacks have designer clothes and 20" rims on their cars. They dont own their homes, so the neighborhoods are run by slumlords that let the places go to crap. Since they are renting, they dont respect the property like they woud if they own it and that also contributes the the fall of the neighborhood.

Home ownership is a key. If I were a poor minority my goal would be to work my tail off and own a home. I would not waste my valuable money on 20" rims, designer clothes and bling-bling jewelry. I would take good care of my home and as the equity grew my family could get ahead.

How you raise your kids is also a key. If a father listens to voilent rap music with his young kids, they are going to grow up believing you think the messages in that music are acceptable. If they grow up watching their father spend money on clothes and jewelry they will do the same. If their father is a posative role model, they will likely do well. Too many kids in poor families of all races today dont have fathers.

I actually think that poverty is the root of the problem. bad management of finances, money being wasted on luxury items that should really not be purchased. Just this morning I passed a beat up mid 70's caprice with 20" chrome wire wheels and vogue tires. Why not put that money away for the future instead of wasting it?

[TODD 2000 V6 CAMARO]

Not to hijack the thread, but racism is a problem, and it requires people of all races to make changes. People in the majority need to take more time to make a judgement. In some cases, when you feel your physical well being may be threateded your judgement may be made in haste. This is not racism, this is self preservation. Statistically speaking a young black man is much more likely to try to pull something on you than someone of lighter skin. It is just statistics, not racism that makes me feel uneasy at night if I'm alone downtown a a group of 5 black guys passes me in the street.

At the same time, people in the minority need to pull themselves up. I think it is poverty that leads to violence and lack of education. If you look at things like home ownership blacks fall way behind whites. I do notice, though that even in the bad parts of my city even the poor blacks have designer clothes and 20" rims on their cars. They dont own their homes, so the neighborhoods are run by slumlords that let the places go to crap. Since they are renting, they dont respect the property like they woud if they own it and that also contributes the the fall of the neighborhood.

Home ownership is a key. If I were a poor minority my goal would be to work my tail off and own a home. I would not waste my valuable money on 20" rims, designer clothes and bling-bling jewelry. I would take good care of my home and as the equity grew my family could get ahead.

How you raise your kids is also a key. If a father listens to voilent rap music with his young kids, they are going to grow up believing you think the messages in that music are acceptable. If they grow up watching their father spend money on clothes and jewelry they will do the same. If their father is a posative role model, they will likely do well. Too many kids in poor families of all races today dont have fathers.

I actually think that poverty is the root of the problem. bad management of finances, money being wasted on luxury items that should really not be purchased. Just this morning I passed a beat up mid 70's caprice with 20" chrome wire wheels and vogue tires. Why not put that money away for the future instead of wasting it?

I totally agree. Alot of what you said there reminds me of two different things: One is a book called "Ten things youcan't say in America." I can't rememeber the author's name, but it was written by a black author. He basically said alot of the same stuff you just did. It was apparently a very controversial book because of his frankness and the fact that he basically was telling the black community to get the chip off your shoulder and get a job. It also reminds me of a piece of an interview with Bill Cosby where he was saying the same sort of stuff. Something to the effect of, "You never hear doctors or lawyers saying nonsense like 'I is, or I ax you a question.' " I guess he got blasted for that as well. Go figure.

[Nightrage]

There's no one born racist it's been taught to people. We need to stop teaching racism and start teaching love, respect, and understanding for one another. Life is to short as it is already we shouldn't try to rush it.

I agree to a degree. Obviously there are crap white people. I became racist even though neither of my parents are racist, of my friends are, of my techers were (that i knew about). My grandparents used to take clothes that people donated to her (they knew she was doing something charity related with them) and almost every day of the week, she'd stay up washing and folding these clothes until 2AM. Mind you she has a full time job during the day and she's in her 60's so this took its toll on her. She'd take the clothes to a soup kitchen in Freeport and hand them out to all of the homeless or poor people. Freeport is populated with a massive amount of blacks and latino's so as you can imagine, more often then not the people getting the clothes weren't white. They were both also very active with the church. They were close friends with a black priest and several other black people. They were good people. I was never racist until i went to high school where there were several blacks. Thanks to MTV, blacks are now praised. It's cool to be black. White kids act black, hardly anyone around here listens to anything other than rap. Those kids were the most arrogant S.O.B.'s i've ever encountered. Now in college, blacks stand in massive crowds and intentionally block entrance ways (they stare you down when you try to push your way through), out of nowhere they'll start harassing whites, several girls have been raped by blacks on the campus and there have been countless occasions where i'd be walking down the hallway and hear "Awww snap! Whad dat b!t#h have ta say 'bout dat!?" "Nuttin dog, you know how i roll". This isn't including the people that i've overheard talking about how some gang member robbed them in the bathroom.
Just today i saw a kid that i used to go to middle school with (a white kid). I thought i recognized him so i asked if he was who i thought he was, he said yes, i told him who i was and he says "Aww $h!t kid! Whaz up son? How ya been?" I just looked at him, quirked a brow and shook my head. Rap is praised as being so deep and complicated and we're told how much talent rappers have as they can create these rhyme schemes that are supposed to impress us. Not only is rap for the most part nothing more than degrading women and glorifying drugs and violence, if something doesn't rhyme, the rappers simply make something up. Maybe if we eliminated the rap, things would change. I'd love to drop a wanna be gang banger off in a high crime area and watch just how fast their attitude changes. The thing that gets me the most is how blacks complain about how much pain the "N" word brings up yet they call each other that word ALL the time. It's acceptable for them to say it because what? When they say it, they don't feel their "200 years of oppression"? Right now whites are being oppressed and no one realizes it. I'm taught about the horrors of slavery and how whites used to relentlessly beat their slaves for no reason. That would be like me saying that i'm going to buy an economy car that i'm going to pay money for and expect to serve a purpose but i'm not going to change the oil, i'm not going to put gas in it and when it starts running poorly, i'm going to pour sand in the gas tank to teach the car a lesson. That doesn't make sense now does it? African slave traders sell their own people to some Americans. Now, even though slavery is abolished i'm supposed to feel bad about it because i'm white, even though no one in my family was even in this country when slavery was legal. I'm supposed to feel stupid because these were white people that owned the slaves and "beat them". I personally believe that if anything, slavery was a gift. Just think about how many people are starving in Africa or are infected with one of the countless diseases that run rampant in that continent. Here, they were fed, given shelter and if they were truely treated that badly, why would slaves have had children and intentionally brought another life into their suffering? It's like when people tell me about the holocaust. There were probably at least 30 jews for every nazi. If their lives were truely being threatened the way that it's claimed, why wouldn't they have revolted? It's happened all throughout history- the people band together to over throw a particularly unfair or brutal dictator. Why not in this case? Out of fear? If you're afraid you're going to die one way or the other, why wouldn't you make a last ditch effort? If you continue to obey, you're definitely going to die but if you revolt, there's a chance to save your life and everyone else's. Were they afraid of being shot? I can't even recall all of the stories i've read about people taking down armed men on trains or buses so fear can't be the reason. There are too many loopholes in these stories for me to even consider believing them. These things are supposed to make me embarassed to be white while i'm supposed to praise minorities for their cultures. When i'm not ashamed or embarassed, i'm either racist or anti- semetic. Something doesn't seem right here.

[Ponyrider]

Nightrage I feel your pain I to dislike some rap music. I have raised 3 girls and now raising twin boys. I taught the girls to stand on their own merits not someone elses. To go to school and get all the education you can receive. Because with knowledge theres power and no one can take that away. My first daughter is from my first wife an she is black. My daughter is 24 years old, and she's not perfect but she's not racist either. My second daughter is 22 years old and was born out of wed lot to a white woman. She to is not perfect but she's not racist either. My third and last daughter is from a black women who is gay. My last daughter is 21 years and she to was born out of wed lot. But she's just like my other girls. I taught them all the same values of life. Now I'm teaching my sons who are 13 years old and of my teaching has change from when I rasied my girls. I'm proud of what I've accomplished and hope and pray that I have in still the same in my children. Because the children are our furture. So must end the hate, the crime, the ignorance, the disrespect of woman and racism. Beleive me I'm not perfect either, but I do have values and the respect for life. Also I try to treat other people the way I hope they would have treated me. So I will pray that you find something positive from your sadness. I wish you didn't have to go threw this sadness. But it has been said that we go threw things like this to become a better person. To learn that life on earth is how long you want to be here.

[TODD 2000 V6 CAMARO]

It's like when people tell me about the holocaust. There were probably at least 30 jews for every nazi. If their lives were truely being threatened the way that it's claimed, why wouldn't they have revolted? It's happened all throughout history- the people band together to over throw a particularly unfair or brutal dictator. Why not in this case? Out of fear? If you're afraid you're going to die one way or the other, why wouldn't you make a last ditch effort? If you continue to obey, you're definitely going to die but if you revolt, there's a chance to save your life and everyone else's. Were they afraid of being shot? I can't even recall all of the stories i've read about people taking down armed men on trains or buses so fear can't be the reason. There are too many loopholes in these stories for me to even consider believing them. These things are supposed to make me embarassed to be white while i'm supposed to praise minorities for their cultures. When i'm not ashamed or embarassed, i'm either racist or anti- semetic. Something doesn't seem right here.[/QUOTE]

Are you saying that you don't believe that the holocaust ever happened??? I was right there with you till you said that. Believe me, man....it happened. My grandather was in Germany in WWII. He saw alot of that stuff. Not to mention all of the evidence that still remains of that event. You are talking about a people that were told that they were just going to be shipped off to camps until the end of the war. They were never told, "We are taking you to the DEATH camps." Once they were there, they had armed guards watching them at all times. Why didn't they revolt? Have you ever seen a prison revolt that ended in all the prisoners going free? I guarantee you, if I were to stand in front of 30 people with a gun and tell them to do what I say....they'd do it. No one wants to get shot, and no one wants to see the person next to them get shot. Besides, by the time that the Nazis resorted to killing the jews, they were so starved and weak that they wouldn't have had the strength to fight back.
I agree that for you or I to be held responsible for the actions of people of our race over 100 years ago is just as absurd as the people who are the same race as the people who were wronged thinking that they are entitled special treatment. However, to deny that they were ever wronged is completely rediculous. Whether the slaves were beat or not, they were slaves and were treated as less than human. That indignity would be just as bad as a whip lashing or a punch to the face. The Jews, God's chosen people, were massacred en masse for the sole reason that they were not Blonde haired, blue eyed, germans.
I think what needs to happen is for people to be responsible for their own actions, to not let the fact that there is a history of wrong-doing to their race make them feel entitled to anything that anyone else isn't entitled. When a person gets the mindset that they will have to work for anything that the want in life, then that person's success is much more likely. This goes for people who came from a poor family, people who's parents beat them, people who were abused, etc etc. Basically, suck it up and get over it. Brush the chip off of your shoulder and quit for everything to be handed to you because you've had a hard life. Anyway, enough ranting for me.