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**Jeff_in_Atl** · 05-02-2005, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by wolfman

"a good friend of mine, whom ive never met in person"

Funny how that is on this board. A lot of ya'll (southern slang word I love) I consider my good friends. Funny even the ones I've had heated discussions with (one of whom I still owe a steak dinner if he ever comes down here from the frozen tundra). I think we all feel a little hurt when something bad effects someone on the board.

**fastTa** · 05-02-2005, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by Jeff 95 Z28

Funny how that is on this board. A lot of ya'll (southern slang word I love) I consider my good friends. Funny even the ones I've had heated discussions with (one of whom I still owe a steak dinner if he ever comes down here from the frozen tundra). I think we all feel a little hurt when something bad effects someone on the board.

It IS amazing how much this forum can draw people together.

When I was gone for that month a while back, I can honestly say I missed everyone here. A loved one commiting suicide is a gut wrenching thing to go through. My heart and prayers goes out to this family.

**Dave M** · 05-02-2005, 08:45 AM

I feel for the wife, she's going to be carrying around a lot of guilt. I hope she gets the support she needs. Suicide is not only caused by alcohol and drugs, but most victims of suicide often suffer from some form of mental illness that makes them see suicide as the only way out of their problems. It is, in the end, a very selfish thing to do, as you're only tranferring your problems to all the survivors left behind, as this poor woman is now finding out. My thoughts go out to all the family.

**Christopherrr** · 05-02-2005, 09:20 AM

the wife, like Dave said, is gonna need the most support. No matter what people say, deep down the guilt will be there. All she'll think about are the shoulda, coulda, woulda...

wow, my prayers out to the family and you Ken.

On a brighter note - everyone here is right behind ya.

**wolfdogs** · 05-02-2005, 09:57 AM

thanks yall. dont worry about me, im with yall...she is going to need a lot of support and understanding over the next few years....

awful.

**Steel2686** · 05-02-2005, 10:14 AM

I can't imagine what that woman is going through. My thoughts go out to her and the family and friends. Years ago, a good family friend took his life by hanging himself. He had two young boys who were my age at the time, which was about 8. She walked in to find him hanging in the garage.

We've all had our share of big problems, and I realize some people have bigger problems than others, but taking your life is never an option. Taking one life affects numerous others.

**Rhode Island Red** · 05-02-2005, 10:35 AM

Kerm,
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**TODD 2000 V6 CAMARO** · 05-02-2005, 11:08 AM

Very sad to hear.

My prayers go out to his wife and family. I hope she has some people she can lean on for the next couple of months or so. She needs to know that this is not her fault. Keep the prayers headed her way, guys, she'll need them.

**MN6WS6** · 05-02-2005, 01:15 PM

They say that suicides are people who have lost all hope. Once they've gotten to that point, there's not really anything you can do about it. One of my mom's friends lost her husband that way. They weren't having any family problems, but his job and their money situation was not looking good. He shot himself in his pickup in the front yard while they were all still asleep. His neighbor saw him do it. One of my friends went through it too. He lost his dad that way, but, come to find out later, he had been diagnosed with some serious medical problems that would have been long term and painful so he decided to end his life before he got to that point.

I guess what I'm saying is that there's two ways to look at this. If it's a "things aren't going my way right now, I'm gonna kill myself" situation, then it's not right and leaves the family in a lot of pain. However, if it was a situation where you have to choose between a long painful death or a quick one, you have to think about what you'd do in that situation. For me, it's in God's hands, not my own, so I would never do that. But there are a lot of people out there that don't look at it the same way I do, and it's hard to go throwing stones at their decision without knowing all the facts.

**fastTa** · 05-02-2005, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by MN6WS6

They say that suicides are people who have lost all hope. Once they've gotten to that point, there's not really anything you can do about it. One of my mom's friends lost her husband that way. They weren't having any family problems, but his job and their money situation was not looking good. He shot himself in his pickup in the front yard while they were all still asleep. His neighbor saw him do it. One of my friends went through it too. He lost his dad that way, but, come to find out later, he had been diagnosed with some serious medical problems that would have been long term and painful so he decided to end his life before he got to that point.

I guess what I'm saying is that there's two ways to look at this. If it's a "things aren't going my way right now, I'm gonna kill myself" situation, then it's not right and leaves the family in a lot of pain. However, if it was a situation where you have to choose between a long painful death or a quick one, you have to think about what you'd do in that situation. For me, it's in God's hands, not my own, so I would never do that. But there are a lot of people out there that don't look at it the same way I do, and it's hard to go throwing stones at their decision without knowing all the facts.

You see, we do have something in common.

I completely agree.

**Jeff_in_Atl** · 05-02-2005, 02:39 PM

M.A.S.H.

Through early morning fog I see visions of the things to be
The pains that are withheld for me I realize and I can see . . .
That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please.

I try to find a way to make all our little joys relate
Without that ever-present hate but now I know that it�s too late,

and . . .That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please.

The game of life is hard to play. I�m gonna lose it anyway.

The losing card I�ll someday lay so this is all I have to say.

That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please.

The only way to win is cheat and lay it down before I�m beat,

and to another give my seat for that�s the only painless feat.

That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please.

The sword of time will pierce our skins it doesn�t hurt when it begins

But as it works its way on in the pain grows stronger . . . watch it grin, but . . .
That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please.

A brave man once requested me to answer questions that are key
'Is it to be or not to be' and I replied 'oh why ask me?'
That suicide is painless it brings on many changes
And I can take or leave it if I please.
And you can do the same thing if you choose.

Compliments of http://www.cfhf.net/lyrics/mash.htm

**Trash man** · 05-02-2005, 07:37 PM

that is no way to lose any1. its worse then a parent losing a kid in a crash. now everytime u look into her eyes ur gonna see emptyness most likely. they are never the same

may god help her thru this diffcult time

**wolfdogs** · 05-02-2005, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by fastTA

You see, we do have something in common.

I completely agree.

we agree to disagree.

this guy had plenty of life in front of him without her. granted, she's a wonderfull person, but he had it made too......

**gimp19** · 05-02-2005, 11:26 PM

Thats terrible

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