i know with the gears i have installed mathematically speaking i cant go over the red line but in consideration of wheel bearings and the actual differential and with aerodynamic drag what is the actual limit of these cars?
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with the speed limiter set to 255 in the PCM, a canadian hawk owner managed to muster 172 mph and 171.XX sustained with stock power and ect. (verified and documented)
From the opean road racing boards,I've read that the WS6 hood comes apart in the 190's (obviosly above stock hp) . my guess is the 190's is where one would start seeing problems arise. I've never expericed going that fast, so it would be best to treat this info as a more a less a rumor ... best I could help ya.Rhode Island Red *Lurker since 1997*
2002 Firehawk #0035/1503 !Cags | !Air | !PCV | Airborn-coated Kooks LT's | Powerbond UD Pulley | Custom Cam | Ported Oil pump | LS2 timing chain | Comp 918's | Hardened push rods | LSS | BMR STB | SLP Bolt-on SFC's | drill mod |TB Bypass | Ported TB | Custom Dyno tuning | 160* thermostat | LS7 Clutch
Ordered: May 1, 2001 Built: June 1, 2001 Delivered August 25, 2001
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The aerodynamic wall is the point where aero drag exceeds the propelling force available at the rear wheels (= torque/tire diameter). More torque at the rear wheels, the faster you can go no matter how clumsy the car design is. Ron Dukes' LS1 convertible WS6 is running close to 180mph in the 1/4. The Lingenfelter TT had a ton more HP/torque thatn a stock F-Body. I doubt the stock C4 would have gone much over 165-170mph.Fred
381ci all-forged stroker - 10.8:1 - CNC LT4 heads/intake - CC solid roller - MoTeC engine management - 8 LS1 coils - 58mm TB - 78# injectors - 300-shot dry nitrous - TH400 - Gear Vendor O/D - Strange 12-bolt - 4.11's - AS&M headers - duals - Corbeau seat - AutoMeter gauges - roll bar - Spohn suspension - QA1 shocks - a few other odds 'n ends. 800HP/800lb-ft at the flywheel, on a 300-shot. 11.5 @ 117MPH straight motor
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In the Silver state Challange, the winner was a 93 Z28. Average Speed was like around 213 MPH.Topped it over 230.. Pretty crazy but true. It was in C&D about a year or 2 ago. Pretty interesting stuff. My buddies 93 Z did 159 with no internals and windows down (racing a 911). They are able to do alot. Regardless of design, they can do the speed. One guy that was in the SSC told me a good rule is in order to get over 200mph safely you need at least 500rwhp.
Eddie
2000 M6 Trans Am
Tune+exhaust=344WHP
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I just read an article in GM High Tech performance a couple of weeks ago- a guy had a 2000 WS6 I believe. Just bolt on mods and he was running 170+ in an "open road" racing series. I don't remember where I read it but I remember reading the LS1 cars are typically 165-167 MPH cars stock. That would jive with the 157 MPH top speed MT observed on the 95 Z28.Silver 02 WS-6, 6 speed, Corsa cat-back, SLP lid, K&N filter, BMR STB, !CAGs, Lou's short stick, MSD wires, MTI "Hammer" cam, ASP underdrive pulley, Hooker LTs, Hooker ORY, Comp 918s, TR pushrods, UMI Sfcs, UMI LCAs, NGK TR55s, Hotchkis springs
Dyno'd 4/24: 330.9 RWHP/ 344.8 RWTQ (Before cam, headers, and pulley)
Dyno'd 5/1: 383.5 RWHP / 380.5 RWTQ (393 actual RWHP)
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LS1's have a much better top end than a LT1 stock for stock but neither of them can pull any faster from 5th to 6th gear which is what makes their top speed similar. If I remeber right a stock LT1 can't quite hit the rev limiter in 5th gear which is 5,700 and a LS1 can pull fifth out to the limiter at 6,000 rpms which is why the LS1 has a higher top speed.1994 Firebird Formula, M6, Fan switch, 160 thermostat, Pacesetter LT headers, Morosso CAI, TB bypass, True duals.
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I remember Car and Driver's 226 mph Vette they did about 10 years ago or so now, even that top speed was in 5th gear IIRC, because even it didn't have the power to pull 6th all the way out with the ratio's these 6 speeds have. On the other hand, the McLaren F1 topped out at 240mph in 6th gear, and the test driver said it could have had a seventh gear, it was still pulling!!
And as far as aerodynamics go, looks aren't always a good indictaor. I've seen some cars that looked pretty boxy that sported Cd's under .30
And take a look at this car. Just looking at it I wouldn't say it was particularly aerodynamic, but Mercedes claims it achieves a drag coefficient of just .19!!
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They call it the Bionic car and it is designed after the Boxfish, doesn't even sound aerodynamic
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Dave M
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it!
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If I were to raise my rev limiter from the stock 5800 rpm's to 6100 rpm's how much more mph could I get out of the car?94 Formula LT1 (Aqua Metallic) - Auto. - 104,000 miles - Charcoal Leather Mods: Magnaflow Muffler, Lingenfelter CAI, MadZ28 Tune, 160F Hyp. T-Stat., 1LE Elbow, & Summit Cutout. Options: 155 MPH Gauge Cluster, & 255-50ZR-16 Tires.
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Originally posted by EquatorHeat00If I were to raise my rev limiter from the stock 5800 rpm's to 6100 rpm's how much more mph could I get out of the car?94 Black T/A GT, Advanced Induction 355, 3200 stall, built 4L60E, Moser 9", Baer Brakes, Shooting for 11s...
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