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    While I do the swap from my Old TPI setup to the Accel Super ram, new heads and cam. I was thinking of droping my EGR valve. Will I be sacrificing anything? I also plan on swaping to the Accel DFI gen 7 engine managment system which will not control this anyways. Emisions testing is not a problem for this car. I have already deleted the AIR system. What benifits will I gain from keeping the EGR if there is any.

    Eric W.

    89 Firebird Formula WS6
    Accel/Lingenfelter Super Ram
    6.2L/382.97 ci
    Custom PROM Dyno tuned
    WCT-5 speed
    BW 9-bolt Posi 3.45
    Boss MS 18" Rims
    Headman Headers 1 5/8 Ceramic Coated
    Custom Dual exhaust
    1LE upgrade
    Custom Temperature / Navigation Rear View Mirror
    In a constant state of upgrade!

  • #2
    EGR is used to reduce combustion chamber temperatures under conditions that promote the formation of oxides of nitrogen (NOx). Typical condition would be lugging the engine at low RPM in to high a gear (and I know we wouldn't drive our cars that way ). In that situation, the EGR will help reduce the potential for detonation (knock). In some ways it can also be considered a "displacement on demand" feature, since by filling a part of each cylinder with a small amount of "inert" exhaust gasses, it reduces the usable volume of the cylinder. I guess in theory this would give you some sort of tiny gas milage improvement, but I doubt you could measure it. Finally, it does reduce emissions.

    I run an aftermarket ECU, and kept my stock PCM to control the things the ECU can not control - VSS, IAC (MoTeC can only operate PWM control, not "stepper"), EEC, and AIR. It was a bit of a pain, since the stock PCM needs things like coolant temp, and the pure resistance sensors like the thermistor need to be duplicated to provide the required data (unlike MAP or TPS which use a 5V reference voltage and a variable resistance).
    Fred

    381ci all-forged stroker - 10.8:1 - CNC LT4 heads/intake - CC solid roller - MoTeC engine management - 8 LS1 coils - 58mm TB - 78# injectors - 300-shot dry nitrous - TH400 - Gear Vendor O/D - Strange 12-bolt - 4.11's - AS&M headers - duals - Corbeau seat - AutoMeter gauges - roll bar - Spohn suspension - QA1 shocks - a few other odds 'n ends. 800HP/800lb-ft at the flywheel, on a 300-shot. 11.5 @ 117MPH straight motor

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    • #3
      Since I have already yanked my AIR system, the only thing left running on the old ecm would be EGR. As the new DFI gen 7 runs fans, Injection, Timing and ignition, A/C, O2, Knock and posibly IAC and TPS with optional harnesses. I guess everything hinges on if I can get it to run my TPS and IAC. If it can I was hoping to just drop the entire original system.

      Eric W.

      89 Firebird Formula WS6
      Accel/Lingenfelter Super Ram
      6.2L/382.97 ci
      Custom PROM Dyno tuned
      WCT-5 speed
      BW 9-bolt Posi 3.45
      Boss MS 18" Rims
      Headman Headers 1 5/8 Ceramic Coated
      Custom Dual exhaust
      1LE upgrade
      Custom Temperature / Navigation Rear View Mirror
      In a constant state of upgrade!

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      • #4
        Any system you buy will require TPS input, so that's not a problem. I'm not sure if Gen 7 will run stepper type IAC or not. I do have a fairly detailed comparison of the capabilities of various aftermarket systems in a Kinsler Fuel Injection catalog... I'll check and see what it says.

        MoTeC I know has a problem since it can only handle a pulse width modulated IAC valve, at least in the version that I have (M48Pro). I think they may have updated it to the GM "stepper" design in the latest version (M800).

        Fred

        381ci all-forged stroker - 10.8:1 - CNC LT4 heads/intake - CC solid roller - MoTeC engine management - 8 LS1 coils - 58mm TB - 78# injectors - 300-shot dry nitrous - TH400 - Gear Vendor O/D - Strange 12-bolt - 4.11's - AS&M headers - duals - Corbeau seat - AutoMeter gauges - roll bar - Spohn suspension - QA1 shocks - a few other odds 'n ends. 800HP/800lb-ft at the flywheel, on a 300-shot. 11.5 @ 117MPH straight motor

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