headers or Cai
Well I found Pacesetter Mid-lengths on summit for $255. And a CAI is about $200. Now i only have about $300 to spend so should i get the headers? Now they are not coated but for $255 i think i can deal with it. What do you guys think?
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Get the CAI and save for coated headers.
Non coated headers will look like crap in a year, and rust out in a few years.Tracy
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1994 Z28 M6 Convertible
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Isn't it cheaper and more effective to make your own CAI? I've heard that many, many times. I'd either save for headers or a decent cat back. I know there's no answer to this, but is there any one cat back for our cars that outflows everything else?Red 95 Trans Am: M6, Moroso CAI, Magnaflow, Spohn sway bars, back to life as of 2/15/10!!!
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In my opinion, you need to open up the motor from the outside in. Meaning, a good CAI and catback would be most beneficial to start. Then you can get headers to open up the bottleneck of the manifolds and stock y-pipe. RRs would be a nice addition with the headers as well.94 Black T/A GT, Advanced Induction 355, 3200 stall, built 4L60E, Moser 9", Baer Brakes, Shooting for 11s...Comment
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i would do the CAI first... but thats mainly because those headers aren't coated... with the plug wires so close and the heat those headers would reach i'd be a little worried, plus like everyone has said they will rust and look like crap1990 Eagle talon TSI- daily driver
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Originally posted by TraceZ
Tracey is right on the money.
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They are painted.....but i think the paint would just flake off. Am i right in this assumption?2006 Saturn Ion Redline
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Painted headers are a waste, get the coated ones. They produce more power and lower the temps under the hood big time and stay looking good much much longer.
The paint is mainly intended to resist rusting while in inventory and during shipping and it will begin to fall off very quickly. I only know of one header paint that really works and that is POR-15 high temp.1995 Z28 Convertible, 350ci LT1 73K miles M6.
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CAI most definitely gets my vote for all the same reasons that everyone has stated.black 95 t/a, a4, beefed up tranny w/ higher stall converter, transgo shift kit, trans temp gauge, trans cooler, richmond 3.73's, loudmouth, hypertech programmer, 160 thermo, descreened maf, TB bypass and airfoil, trick flow intake elbow, underdrive pulleys, moroso cai, edelbrock panhard rod, bmr stb, slp sfc's, fiberglass firehawk hood, hawk pads, taylor wires, ngk plugs, royal purple fluids,...and hopefully more to comeComment
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Ok, I may have some more money coming in so i might be able to get both things. (Coated of course $390) Well any way, can i install the headers with the stock y-pipe? If not, do you think i should get shorty's? I'm staying away from long tubes because I hear they're not emissions legal. If the pacesetter mids can be done with the stock y-pipe, then I'll probably end up getting those and maybe an electric cut-out. (plus the CAI)
My ultimate goal is going to be about 400 bhp (I know its mild but its a daily driver
). So i don't think i'll need the longtubes(could be wrong). Plus what do you guys think about the LT4 hot cam kit? With these plus a tune, where would i be? Thanks again guys.
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Most headers.... short-, mid-, or long-tube.... require the Y-pipe that is part of the headers (short-, mid-) or a separate item to buy (long-tubes). An exception to this is the emissions legal headers for the dual cat (96/97) cars. They have to work with the stock Y-pipe to be legal. But even shorties on the single cat (93-95) cars will not match the stock Y-pipe. The price of the PaceSetter mid-lengths should include the Y-pipe. Summit shows it in the photo.
Fred
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Oooooooooooo, lol. I didn't even notice it. ThanksOriginally posted by InjuneerMost headers.... short-, mid-, or long-tube.... require the Y-pipe that is part of the headers (short-, mid-) or a separate item to buy (long-tubes). An exception to this is the emissions legal headers for the dual cat (96/97) cars. They have to work with the stock Y-pipe to be legal. But even shorties on the single cat (93-95) cars will not match the stock Y-pipe. The price of the PaceSetter mid-lengths should include the Y-pipe. Summit shows it in the photo.
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