oil leak, help please!!!

[Rancid Crabbtree]

Originally posted by N20LT4Bird
Use a vacuum cleaner.

I could not in good conscience tell someone to do that just for the chance of something happening and especially since it isn't necessary.

[N20LT4Bird]

Originally posted by Rancid Crabbtree
I could not in good conscience tell someone to do that just for the chance of something happening and especially since it isn't necessary.

tell someone to do what? use a vacuum? I use a vacuum all the time when I open up an engine. Clean out all the crap before you bolt it back together. right?

[Rancid Crabbtree]

Originally posted by N20LT4Bird
tell someone to do what? use a vacuum? I use a vacuum all the time when I open up an engine. Clean out all the crap before you bolt it back together. right?

My apologies for not being clearer. To further explain, I could not tell someone to use a shop vac when using sand paper on a surface that is vulnerable to leaving metal particles behind. Gasket and sealant material are one thing, but even the smallest metal shavings or scuffings can cause havoc to bearings. Because the oil valley is still covered in residual oil it can be difficult and maybe impossible to clean every flake out of the oil valley and may stick and hide next to lifter bores and every other nook and cranny w/in the oil valley especially when using a high count grit sand paper. Besides, it makes it cleaning the block to manifold surface just that much more challenging.
Why anyone would want to take the gamble of leaving metal particles behind just to try and stop a common oil leak is beyond me. There are much simpler solutions available.

[wolfdogs]

lay a nice layer of lintless rags in there, take a file and cross-cut the surface gently. wont hurt a thing. dont use sand paper.

[wolfdogs]

Originally posted by Rancid Crabbtree
The RTV will not "walk" anywhere as long as it is applied proprely w/ a generous amount. I have no reason to lie about anything I have said and witnessed as well as fixed.
I can't imagine sealant "walking" anywhere after the time I've spent scraping it off a smooth block surface w/ a putty knife because it was clearly held fast.

I've read your page, have been familiar w/ it for years and understand what you are saying, but the fact remains it is not necessary to wrap anything. If you think the manifold is only suseptible to coming loose around the EGR tube then why do you suggest to re-torque all the intake bolts?
I remember seeing the re-torquing technique" done and shared on CZ28.com long before you inserted it on your page and it was given because someone decided to see how tight the intake bolts were only a week after doing the fix and found that ALL intake bolts had backed off and were only had about 15ft. lbs on them. Why do you think that is?
It's just weird to think that if you only feel the intake leak will only come from that side of the manifold that the trouble should be gone through to tighten all bolts. Here's another twist for you.. have you ever seen an intake leak on the front of the manifold? It happens.

lets kill this argument.......you wont change my mind...and i wont change yours.... and how do you know how long i have had the fix on my site?

99% off all the intake leaks have been at the left (facing the car) rear corner. we did a survey on it, had over 240 responses and summarized it.. (im sure you know all about that too).

my way works and has kept the leak from reoccuring on many an LT1. so do it your way. i really dont care. its not really rocket science. its an intake manifold oil leak.

and the rtv will "'walk"... when you set the manifold down...it can "slide the bead of sealant" if its not on a good "ledge" that you can create by scouring. again.........do it your way. if it works....... dont fix it.

and it helps to wrap the solid egr pipe and keep the heat down. that was confirmed to me by a GM engineer at the Pontiac Nats in 1998. again.........do it your way....... if it works........dont fix it.

your car would'nt happen to be a teal colored SS would it?

[Rancid Crabbtree]

Hmmmmmmmmm....... Interesting..........
So a bead of non-cured sealant can walk? Very interesting.......
Never seen that one before. What I have seen when pulling off an intake manifold is that bead of sealant staying fast and the excess from a generous amount being pushed over the edge of the inside and outside of the block.
Instead of talking to those GM engineers why not talk to a few engine builders and share your theory about cutting metal off the engine block and relying on a piece of cloth to catch it and see what they tell you.
I never said your fix would not work. What I did say is that some of the steps on your fix are not necessary. Another example is having to use a breather to relieve internal pressure. If a car is producing enough blow by to pressure the internals of a motor to blow sealant out then there is another problem all-together. People are using the stock PCV system w/ no problems in applications well over 400rwhp.
I never said how long I knew your oil fix site was up. What I do know is at one point in time the re-torque step was not on there until after it was made such a big deal on CZ28.com.
Sorry, I do not have a teal SS. Why do you ask?

[N20LT4Bird]

take out the gloves

[Fred 02 WS6]

Originally posted by wolfman
that was confirmed to me by a GM engineer at the Pontiac Nats in 1998. again.........do it your way....... if it works........dont fix it.

Lets pretend this happened. Had this happened to me, I think I would remeber a small detail such as the year in which said event occured. I mean, come on, that is an incredibly important occurance, you got an admission out of a GM engineer, albeit ""off the record"" that they were aware of a problem that you "discovered" (altho it's difficult to comprehend how someone can claim discovery of an issue affecting most LT1 cars on the road when they own a 97 LT1, the last year of the LT1s. But I digress).

Maybe you should check the date you posted on your website before trying to strut around a message board by furthering such a laughable story? Otherwise you may provide unintended entertainment for a few of us

Take it easy...

[N20LT4Bird]

And wolfman takes a few hits from the newbie. What his point was - I dont know?

[Fred 02 WS6]

Originally posted by N20LT4Bird
And wolfman takes a few hits from the newbie. What his point was - I dont know?

Check the year in his post, compare it to the year on the web page when he claims to have had a heart to heart with the GM engineer. Different. I'd remember a detail like that, wouldn't you?

[N20LT4Bird]

Hes getting old... we'll forgive him

[Quick97TA]

Originally posted by Fred 02 WS6
(altho it's difficult to comprehend how someone can claim discovery of an issue affecting most LT1 cars on the road when they own a 97 LT1, the last year of the LT1s. But I digress).

Here's a little hint for you, the Comp T/A wasn't the first LT1 car he owned.....

[wolfdogs]

Originally posted by Fred 02 WS6
Lets pretend this happened. Had this happened to me, I think I would remeber a small detail such as the year in which said event occured. I mean, come on, that is an incredibly important occurance, you got an admission out of a GM engineer, albeit ""off the record"" that they were aware of a problem that you "discovered" (altho it's difficult to comprehend how someone can claim discovery of an issue affecting most LT1 cars on the road when they own a 97 LT1, the last year of the LT1s. But I digress).

Maybe you should check the date you posted on your website before trying to strut around a message board by furthering such a laughable story? Otherwise you may provide unintended entertainment for a few of us

Take it easy...

ok dude............you called it: ( for some "odd reason")

if you read my page....you saw what i went thru.

in 98, for the second year in a row.... i attended the Pont. Nats.... after helping many a frustrated lt1 owner fix the leak on thier cars , 94-to 97........ and since you dont know me from adam......you will now, I wrote the Federal Standards for passenger cars and light trucks for the Federal Govt. from 1996 to 1999. I know many folks in Detroit from the big three.......so when i got this guy aside.....we were kidding around..and i went thru the scenerio of my prob. he admitted it....... and when i said "so why dont you publish a fix for the leak or do something about it"? you know what he said? he said "we did.....we are comming out with the LS1." lots of folks on other boards were there and know this story......... dont go jumping into summin you know nothing about and casin on me dude........ dont........you have no idea.

dates? sheeze.......... what is this?

and some wonder why im ditching the f body scene...........

you be sure and "take it easy too".

[wolfdogs]

Originally posted by Rancid Crabbtree
Hmmmmmmmmm....... Interesting..........
So a bead of non-cured sealant can walk? Very interesting.......
Never seen that one before. What I have seen when pulling off an intake manifold is that bead of sealant staying fast and the excess from a generous amount being pushed over the edge of the inside and outside of the block.
Instead of talking to those GM engineers why not talk to a few engine builders and share your theory about cutting metal off the engine block and relying on a piece of cloth to catch it and see what they tell you.
I never said your fix would not work. What I did say is that some of the steps on your fix are not necessary. Another example is having to use a breather to relieve internal pressure. If a car is producing enough blow by to pressure the internals of a motor to blow sealant out then there is another problem all-together. People are using the stock PCV system w/ no problems in applications well over 400rwhp.
I never said how long I knew your oil fix site was up. What I do know is at one point in time the re-torque step was not on there until after it was made such a big deal on CZ28.com.
Sorry, I do not have a teal SS. Why do you ask?

the reason it "walks" is that it IS uncured..it slides off the base....even after you let it gel slightly.... and again.......why go on about it.

your email addy dude. ssteal96@



we wont play games here.

[wolfdogs]

Originally posted by Fred 02 WS6
Check the year in his post, compare it to the year on the web page when he claims to have had a heart to heart with the GM engineer. Different. I'd remember a detail like that, wouldn't you?

i did the web site before i talked to him.........doooooooooh?????????????????

whats wrong with you dude?

way to make a entrance to a new forum.......



ive been dealing with f bodies since 1967......... and stupid cr@p like this.........