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    ok so project sick vette is finally 99% done. i am stuck on this TPS issue. can you buy an adjustable TPS for a TPI style throttlebody? i have a accel/lingenfelter 58mm Throttle body on the LT-4 in the vette, and it uses a TPI style tps. the tps that came with the throttle body is F'ed up and reads 90% open all the time. atleast according to the FAST ecu read out. so i went and bought an oe replacement TPS for it, and when its bolted up to the TB it reads 16% open, and will only give me 81% at wot. the throttle blades are closed as much as they can be and it still reads 16%. so i am wondering if the fried TPS from lingenfelter is some special one, or if it is just a typical aftermarket adjustable TPS. Calling there TECH line is a PITA lately and i want to kill whoever invented HOLD. i want this car done and on the street so bad, i just spent 4 grand on the computer and fuel system to support the rest of the mods, and am stuck on a $20 part. thanks in advance guys.
    2000 WS6 T/A M6. Monster stage 3 clutch, flowmaster cat back, 4.10's, SLP lid, Hurst shifter.
    1996 Mustang GT 5 speed STOCK DD
    past rides:
    1996 Mustang GTS bright tangerine orange
    2003 Mach 1 azure blue drag car (10.90@118 record holder for fastest N/A mach)
    1969 Mach 1 house of colors candy apple red393 stroker 100 shot (10.829@125 in street trim)
    2003 Mach 1 Torched red FRPP aluminator/vortech 666RWHP
    2008 Mustang GT JDM stroker long block, Saleen 2.3 twin screw
    1980 Mustang L 13.7: 418 stroker
    1994 Z28 A4 rebuilt from wreck
    1994 Z28 A4 totaled

  • #2
    Usually in a situation like that, they slot the sensor with a dremel and rotate it a little until it reads 0%. Then if it is not giving 100% at WOT you need to see if it is actually opening the butterflies all the way and go from there. I don't know what compatability issues there are from LTX to TPI, though, if any.

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    • #3
      the one that came with the TB has huge elongated holes in it so its completely adjustable, and there is no way i can slot out hte replacement that much, there just isnt enough material.
      2000 WS6 T/A M6. Monster stage 3 clutch, flowmaster cat back, 4.10's, SLP lid, Hurst shifter.
      1996 Mustang GT 5 speed STOCK DD
      past rides:
      1996 Mustang GTS bright tangerine orange
      2003 Mach 1 azure blue drag car (10.90@118 record holder for fastest N/A mach)
      1969 Mach 1 house of colors candy apple red393 stroker 100 shot (10.829@125 in street trim)
      2003 Mach 1 Torched red FRPP aluminator/vortech 666RWHP
      2008 Mustang GT JDM stroker long block, Saleen 2.3 twin screw
      1980 Mustang L 13.7: 418 stroker
      1994 Z28 A4 rebuilt from wreck
      1994 Z28 A4 totaled

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      • #4
        One possibility.... do you have the wires hooked up correctly to the TPS sensor? I had a problem when I got my car back from the shop, and they had switched the gray (5V ref) and the blue (signal) wires, and the voltages were just about what you must be getting to produce the limited range of 16%-81%.

        The FAST should be supplying a 5V reference signal, same as the stock PCM. Is that correct?

        How does the FAST "baseline" the TPS voltage? Can you tell it the values for "closed" and 100% open? That's the way my MoTeC works.
        Fred

        381ci all-forged stroker - 10.8:1 - CNC LT4 heads/intake - CC solid roller - MoTeC engine management - 8 LS1 coils - 58mm TB - 78# injectors - 300-shot dry nitrous - TH400 - Gear Vendor O/D - Strange 12-bolt - 4.11's - AS&M headers - duals - Corbeau seat - AutoMeter gauges - roll bar - Spohn suspension - QA1 shocks - a few other odds 'n ends. 800HP/800lb-ft at the flywheel, on a 300-shot. 11.5 @ 117MPH straight motor

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Injuneer
          One possibility.... do you have the wires hooked up correctly to the TPS sensor? I had a problem when I got my car back from the shop, and they had switched the gray (5V ref) and the blue (signal) wires, and the voltages were just about what you must be getting to produce the limited range of 16%-81%.

          The FAST should be supplying a 5V reference signal, same as the stock PCM. Is that correct?

          How does the FAST "baseline" the TPS voltage? Can you tell it the values for "closed" and 100% open? That's the way my MoTeC works.
          This makes more sense.

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          • #6
            here is the link to my supermotors site, you can see some pics of the tps in this link. Here are the pics
            2000 WS6 T/A M6. Monster stage 3 clutch, flowmaster cat back, 4.10's, SLP lid, Hurst shifter.
            1996 Mustang GT 5 speed STOCK DD
            past rides:
            1996 Mustang GTS bright tangerine orange
            2003 Mach 1 azure blue drag car (10.90@118 record holder for fastest N/A mach)
            1969 Mach 1 house of colors candy apple red393 stroker 100 shot (10.829@125 in street trim)
            2003 Mach 1 Torched red FRPP aluminator/vortech 666RWHP
            2008 Mustang GT JDM stroker long block, Saleen 2.3 twin screw
            1980 Mustang L 13.7: 418 stroker
            1994 Z28 A4 rebuilt from wreck
            1994 Z28 A4 totaled

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            • #7
              The sensor does have three wires, correct?

              Does the FAST supply a +5V reference voltage?

              What does the voltage on the TPS signal wire read when the blades are closed? .....when the blades are 100% open?

              Does the FAST require a signal of 0.50V to set the 0% throttle position, or does the FAST programming allow you to tell it what the 0% voltage should be?
              Fred

              381ci all-forged stroker - 10.8:1 - CNC LT4 heads/intake - CC solid roller - MoTeC engine management - 8 LS1 coils - 58mm TB - 78# injectors - 300-shot dry nitrous - TH400 - Gear Vendor O/D - Strange 12-bolt - 4.11's - AS&M headers - duals - Corbeau seat - AutoMeter gauges - roll bar - Spohn suspension - QA1 shocks - a few other odds 'n ends. 800HP/800lb-ft at the flywheel, on a 300-shot. 11.5 @ 117MPH straight motor

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              • #8
                as far as i know the wires are correct, gray=5 volt input, black is ground, and blue is the signal wire. i have the ground on top (A), blue center (B) and gray on bottem (C).

                i am going to look into the program tonight and see if i cant tell it to accept 0% as what ever the sensor is putting out, and the same for 100%.

                As far as i know the fast is putting out the 5 volts. as i get it from the referance wire.
                2000 WS6 T/A M6. Monster stage 3 clutch, flowmaster cat back, 4.10's, SLP lid, Hurst shifter.
                1996 Mustang GT 5 speed STOCK DD
                past rides:
                1996 Mustang GTS bright tangerine orange
                2003 Mach 1 azure blue drag car (10.90@118 record holder for fastest N/A mach)
                1969 Mach 1 house of colors candy apple red393 stroker 100 shot (10.829@125 in street trim)
                2003 Mach 1 Torched red FRPP aluminator/vortech 666RWHP
                2008 Mustang GT JDM stroker long block, Saleen 2.3 twin screw
                1980 Mustang L 13.7: 418 stroker
                1994 Z28 A4 rebuilt from wreck
                1994 Z28 A4 totaled

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                • #9
                  ook so the OEM one i bought was for a 1991, and it turns out that the factory ones from 1985~1989 were adjustable, and the 1990~1992 ones were not. i orederd an older one and will let you guys know how it turns out.

                  Thanks for all the input though!!!
                  Jeff
                  2000 WS6 T/A M6. Monster stage 3 clutch, flowmaster cat back, 4.10's, SLP lid, Hurst shifter.
                  1996 Mustang GT 5 speed STOCK DD
                  past rides:
                  1996 Mustang GTS bright tangerine orange
                  2003 Mach 1 azure blue drag car (10.90@118 record holder for fastest N/A mach)
                  1969 Mach 1 house of colors candy apple red393 stroker 100 shot (10.829@125 in street trim)
                  2003 Mach 1 Torched red FRPP aluminator/vortech 666RWHP
                  2008 Mustang GT JDM stroker long block, Saleen 2.3 twin screw
                  1980 Mustang L 13.7: 418 stroker
                  1994 Z28 A4 rebuilt from wreck
                  1994 Z28 A4 totaled

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