I am currently researching information for doing an engine swap in my 01 Camaro RS. I want to pull the 3.8L V-6 and 5-speed Transmission out and replace it with an LS-1 and T-56 6-Speed Transmission. I want to know if there is a need to modify the mounts or pretty much change anything else out first, prior to swapping the engine/transmission. If I buy a "built up" engine/transmission, will I be able to just remove my old one and slap the new one in?
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This has been covered several times here in the past and the general opinion is you are better off buying a V8 car. There is more involved in this swap than you can imagine. Front springs, motor mounts, crossmember, radiator, all the accessories, wiring harness, computer and dozens of other parts. It would cost a FORTUNE. In the end you have a "messed up" car that is hard to sell, unless you really do it right. ($$$) Not to mention the insurance implication if you get in an accident and the adjuster notices it has an 8 in it but the policy says 6. "policy void"
If you do decide to do it anyway, I would recommend buying a wrecked V8 car and swapping parts, then sell the donor car for scrap.
Really, you are better off selling the 6 and buying a good V8 car. Save yourself the headaches, and you'll be happier in the end
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Man, if I had a quarter every time this was asked... I could go buy my ovn V8 F-Body. Too bad I still wouldnt be able to afford the insurance!!! hahahaNo F-Body right nowComment
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And add this to the quote...Originally posted by tabahr
This has been covered several times here in the past and the general opinion is you are better off buying a V8 car. There is more involved in this swap than you can imagine. Front springs, motor mounts, crossmember, radiator, all the accessories, wiring harness, computer and dozens of other parts. It would cost a FORTUNE. In the end you have a "messed up" car that is hard to sell, unless you really do it right. ($$$) Not to mention the insurance implication if you get in an accident and the adjuster notices it has an 8 in it but the policy says 6. "policy void"
If you do decide to do it anyway, I would recommend buying a wrecked V8 car and swapping parts, then sell the donor car for scrap.
Really, you are better off selling the 6 and buying a good V8 car. Save yourself the headaches, and you'll be happier in the end
You need to check the local and state laws to make sure it is legal... A friend of mine has a ford ranger that he has customed when he was in D.C. and for about 3 or 4 months have been having problems with emissions in North Carolina... He has to take his supercharger off and some of the ignition work he has done... In other words about 2 large (2 grand)... So just make sure...
And also make sure you want to do this because a V6 has a better weight distribution and also handles better in the elements... I have noticed that not that many V8 around here drive in the rain...
Good luck though if that is what you truly want...Thanks
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There are alot of performance upgrades you can do to a six. Heck you could probably supercharge or Turbo it for alot less than the swap and make some pretty decent HP numbers. Plus there are lots of other things you can do too. Check out this site for some info http://www.firebirdv6.com/ . Good luck....Later
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He's right...
For starters... Your SLP Camaro RS, if it is the real slp and not modified to look like it should produce about 208... I know the reviews say 205 but in 2001 GM replace the cast iron exhaust manifold and angled intake to a cast iron tubular exhaust manifold and a straight intake path... Because mine gets 205 horses throught the fly wheel and about 180-190 to the ground...Originally posted by Mr Nice Guy
There are alot of performance upgrades you can do to a six. Heck you could probably supercharge or Turbo it for alot less than the swap and make some pretty decent HP numbers. Plus there are lots of other things you can do too. Check out this site for some info http://www.firebirdv6.com/ . Good luck....Later
But go to like RKSport.com and check out there air intake box lids because that will give you about 10 horsepower... Then check out buying a K&N or Accel Kool Blue performance air filter and that will give you about 5 or 6 hp more... Then get the SLP loud mouths or a flowmaster cat back system, the slp will add about 20-25 hp and the flowmaster will add about 15-20 hp... Then check out getting some headers which will probably add for mine and your's Camaro about 5-10 HP... Then get a SLP Ultra Z hood which will add about 10 HP... Then change out the stock drive shaft for a lighter weight but more durable one like the heavy duty driveshaft SLP offers (weight savings is the key to any V6 performance machine)... Up grade the radiator (just a precautionary step for some big horsepower numbers)... Up grade the torgue converter or clutch to a better performing one... Up grade the Mass Air Flow Sensor to an LS1 performance one which will give you about 10 hp... Smooth high flow bellows will give you about 5 hp... Upgrade the cam shaft (I want go into the hp numbers for that because I don't like opening up an engine...)... Modify the stock rear end gearing to a gear like 4.10:1 (quote: you are not going to have any top end but you will have acceleration go lore... GO with a mild gearing like 3.42 or 3.54 (I think) and you will be able to go up to the 108 mph rev limiter easily)... Also get SLP's Cold Air Induction Package which sucks are from the high flow air stream going to the radiator and that will give you about 15 hp... Now you can do what ever you want because I have ran short on Ideas...
But all of this totals up to be an add horsepower rating of around 150hp and add that to what you started with it will be around 355hp... Personally I didn't think that was possible until now...
Good luck...Thanks
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Uhm.....No offense or anything but you are a more than a little optomistic on your HP numbers. For example you have 40 hp gained by adding a lid, filter, maf, smoothed out bellows and a ramair hood. Sorry but there is no way. It seems you have fallen prey to using ricer math. Don't belive hype from companies advertisements it is often very misleading. Anywhoo these are some decent mods just don't expect those kinds of horsepower gains from a few bolt ons. Also I don't think the loudmouth will bolt on a V6. It might require a bit of moding to make it work.....Later
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Re: He's right...
355HP from the v6 naturally aspirated? No way, Not happenning. Not without forced induction or nitrous. I couldnt get that from my old 95 LT-1 with those same mods. In reality the "estimated gain" numbers from the bolt on parts do not add up like that. Most of those estimated gains are exaggerated. Also, I do not believe the RS cars never saw the SLP plant, or had anything to do with SLP. All it is is a ground effects kit and spoiler on an otherwise stock V6 car.Originally posted by MaraSport
For starters... Your SLP Camaro RS, if it is the real slp and not modified to look like it should produce about 208... I know the reviews say 205 but in 2001 GM replace the cast iron exhaust manifold and angled intake to a cast iron tubular exhaust manifold and a straight intake path... Because mine gets 205 horses throught the fly wheel and about 180-190 to the ground...
But go to like RKSport.com and check out there air intake box lids because that will give you about 10 horsepower... Then check out buying a K&N or Accel Kool Blue performance air filter and that will give you about 5 or 6 hp more... Then get the SLP loud mouths or a flowmaster cat back system, the slp will add about 20-25 hp and the flowmaster will add about 15-20 hp... Then check out getting some headers which will probably add for mine and your's Camaro about 5-10 HP... Then get a SLP Ultra Z hood which will add about 10 HP... Then change out the stock drive shaft for a lighter weight but more durable one like the heavy duty driveshaft SLP offers (weight savings is the key to any V6 performance machine)... Up grade the radiator (just a precautionary step for some big horsepower numbers)... Up grade the torgue converter or clutch to a better performing one... Up grade the Mass Air Flow Sensor to an LS1 performance one which will give you about 10 hp... Smooth high flow bellows will give you about 5 hp... Upgrade the cam shaft (I want go into the hp numbers for that because I don't like opening up an engine...)... Modify the stock rear end gearing to a gear like 4.10:1 (quote: you are not going to have any top end but you will have acceleration go lore... GO with a mild gearing like 3.42 or 3.54 (I think) and you will be able to go up to the 108 mph rev limiter easily)... Also get SLP's Cold Air Induction Package which sucks are from the high flow air stream going to the radiator and that will give you about 15 hp... Now you can do what ever you want because I have ran short on Ideas...
But all of this totals up to be an add horsepower rating of around 150hp and add that to what you started with it will be around 355hp... Personally I didn't think that was possible until now...
Good luck...
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Re: Re: He's right...
Tracy I am sorry but Yes I have seen Naturally aspirated V6 Camaros Race my inline 4 giant turbo pals and also lose... And the same V6 Camaros ago against big blocks old cars and some new ones like the a blue Viper that is turbo and a 2001 Vette that is the blue color of my car's color with a turbo and almost lose by a half of a vette's car length... Okay... Granted it sounds weird but it is possible... I seen Civics go from 115 to 250 without force induction... OKAY...Originally posted by tabahr
355HP from the v6 naturally aspirated? No way, Not happenning. Not without forced induction or nitrous. I couldnt get that from my old 95 LT-1 with those same mods. In reality the "estimated gain" numbers from the bolt on parts do not add up like that. Most of those estimated gains are exaggerated. Also, I do not believe the RS cars never saw the SLP plant, or had anything to do with SLP. All it is is a ground effects kit and spoiler on an otherwise stock V6 car.
Sorry to trample your theory.
Sorry to trample your theory, tracy... But it is possible... Just reliablity becomes a problem...Thanks
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yeah it's possible to get that from an NA 3.8 V6 but not with the bolt-ons you mentioned. It would take alot of internal engine work, ie cam, port polishing, bore and stroke, maybe some new heads, etc to get to that level of performance and then you have more of a race engine than something that's reliable in a daily driver. Not trying to flame just stating facts....Later
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No offense Mr... But We all have dynoed our cars and at the rear wheels the super mod. ones produce 325-335 HP... We have not done anything to the internals of the engine... But it goes through gas and oil and overheats alot but still we have done it...Originally posted by Mr Nice Guy
yeah it's possible to get that from an NA 3.8 V6 but not with the bolt-ons you mentioned. It would take alot of internal engine work, ie cam, port polishing, bore and stroke, maybe some new heads, etc to get to that level of performance and then you have more of a race engine than something that's reliable in a daily driver. Not trying to flame just stating facts....Later
One of use has also put a nitrous bottle on theirs and it produced on the dyno a 360 HP rating at the rear wheels be fore the engine let go...
So... What is yals beef...
The new Celicas from toyota with their super high compression ratios and the S2000 from honda with its super high compression ratios can wipe a v8 and a v10 in a heart beat... Why?... Well... Its not the turbos... So it must be a lot of mods and yes it is... But if you don't want to void the warrenty, according to the local toyota dealers... You can not open up the block... And yet I have seen Celicas produce almost 300 hp... More like 260 hp at the front wheels... On nothing but just basic mods... A stock GTS celica can produce 180 hp at the fly wheel and about 156 hp at the front wheels...
So go figure...Thanks
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Hmmm....what bolt ons do you have and what have hp#s have you run on a Dyno. Just curious because from what you say you guys are getting crazy amounts of HP from an internally stock NA engines.....Later
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Why would an engine modified only with external bolt-ons go through oil and overheat?Originally posted by MaraSport
No offense Mr... But We all have dynoed our cars and at the rear wheels the super mod. ones produce 325-335 HP... We have not done anything to the internals of the engine... But it goes through gas and oil and overheats alot but still we have done it...
That makes absolutely no sense at all. People here know better.
Those HP numbers are absolutely posatively NOT attainable on the internally stock naturally aspirated f-body V6. Period. End of sentence, do not pass go, do not collect $200.00, THANKS for Stoppin!
The LT-1 V8 would get near those numbers with only the bolt-ons you mentioned, but not the 6. The LS-1 even easier. Not the 6, not the 6, not the 6.
LOL. God I can be obnoxiuose sometimes.
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Originally posted by MaraSport
The new Celicas from toyota with their super high compression ratios and the S2000 from honda with its super high compression ratios can wipe a v8 and a v10 in a heart beat...
So... the Honda S2000 is hot?? 240HP? sounds ok, but check out the torque. 162 Ft. Lbs.?! That is laughable. I can see that obliterating a V10 Viper. Sure. Blowing away vettes, Yup. According to everything I have read on these cars, they are good for mid to low 14's and if you push them often the trannys, rearends and axles die quickly and violently. Alot of guys are afraid to race them because they break so easily. Not a realistic thing to try. The only reason they make it as fast as they do is because there is nothing to them, they are so small and frail.
Check out the facts:
http://www.hondacars.com/models/spec...odelName=S2000
Just incase you didn't know, the Viper has 500 hp and 525 Ft. Lbs of torque stock, and can run the 1/4 mile in 12 seconds without breaking a thing, repetedly all day long if you wish.
Check out the facts:
http://www.dodge.com/viper/
Have you ever driven a V8 or V10 sportscar?? Vipers and Vettes HAUL BUTT. There is absolutely no comparison to be made between a V8 - V10 and a V6 or I4.
If you want to argue a modified Honda s2000 vs my hypothetical V10, I get to modify my car too then. It's only fair. The Honda most likely wouldnt make it to the end of the track without breaking something. I however would make it in the Viper, in just over 11 seconds with no internal mods, only bolt-ons LOL If you want to get really fancy, the Viper could be down way lower in ET.
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i just red that whole thread , marasport u started makin since at first but then those outrageous #s and what are u talkin about s2000 beatin v8s and v10 yeah maybe a couple of the slow ones(v8s) , but v10s come on now
And yet I have seen Celicas produce almost 300 hp... More like 260 hp at the front wheels... On nothing but just basic mods... A stock GTS celica can produce 180 hp at the fly wheel and about 156 hp at the front wheels...
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