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  • An 8-second 30th SS???, and some nostalgia (long)

    I don't think there are many of the regulars left who used to hang out here back in the late 1990's.... Ken obviously, and a few others. It was pretty much the "home" for many members of Mid-Atlantic F-Body Association..... I think there were close to 300 members at the peak. MAFBA seems to have disappeared, and not many of the regulars are still here.

    Anyway, one of the regulars who posted here was a guy named George Baxter, who had one of the very few M6 30th Anniversary SS convertibles. We all watched as he took the car from a bolt-on stocker to what was for almost 2 years one of the quickest LT1 cars that anyone knew about. It culminated with a 9.04@155mph pass in November 2001. Sad thing was, that pass was only an "easy" pass, right off the trailer, trying to set up the suspension for a serious pass..... no doubt in my mind the car would have gone deep in the 8.9's..... but that's woulda, shoulda, coulda, and that doesn't count. The S/C decided to shed a few blade tips and that was the end of the season. That record stood until late last year when Chris Sikora ran a 8.9X with his LT1.

    The old setup was an LT1 4-bolt block, highly modified Canfield LT4 heads, Hooker LT's and a very large Xx-trim Vortech S/C. Power was routed through an Art Carr TH400 and a Moser 9-inch rear. Suspension was "stock style".... just replacing the stock parts with the same beefed up parts that you or I might put on our cars. The engine made 1,125HP on the engine dyno.

    The 30th SS was amazing, because from the outside, and on the interior, it looked almost stock. The only compromises on the outside were a parachute on the back bumper (required by NHRA) and a partially-hidden switch for the master battery cutoff. ALthough he ran a Mufflex 4" exhaust, he kept the twin tips from his SLP "2OTL" exhaust welded on it. Interior-wise, until the very end, it still ran the full leather interior. Only the NHRA certified roll cage, a 5" monster tach and a lot of extra switches tucked away in the dash and console were departures from stock. As a result, the car ran at a 3,900# race weight.

    George has spent the last 2 years rebuilding the 30th SS convertible, and its about 3 weeks away from its first track pass. Last Saturday, we took it up to Steve Spohn's new shop in Lebanon, PA for some tweeks to the "stock style" suspension. As soon as Steve is done, the car goes to a body shop to have the "can-opener" work to the rear wheel openings (29.5" ET Drags) repaired, and then to the track for the initial passes. Then the car should be ready for the PRO/Edelbrock Xtreme Street class, at the Atco NJ event in May. In order to be competetive in that class, you need to be able to run 8.4's. He also plans to take it to the "North vs. South" shoot-out in Indy in June. Hopefully I will be going along as part of the "crew".

    In its current configuration - Dart Iron Eagle SBC 1 block, Brodix 23deg heads (limited by class rules), even bigger Vortech blower, upgraded TH400 and lightened 9-inch - the car should be competive in the Xtreme Street class. It is unfortunately less "stock" looking, because of the extended spoiler that was judged to be necessary to keep the car reasonably stable at 165+MPH trap speeds. But other than that, and the subtle body work to the wheel openings, its still suprisingly "stock".

    The sound of the engine is absolutely amazing.... it rumbles. Chassis dyno numbers at this point are "over 1,000rwHP".... can't be any more specific.

    I have a few photos of things as they stand now that you might be interested in.....

    Rolling it out to load it on the trailer for the trip to Spohn:






    At Steve's shop... left to right George, Steve Spohn, Gordon Spohn, Cliff Briggs (crew):



    We need to clean up the rust a bit....




    The interior needs some work.... I've cut the "fill-in" plates for the dash.... and we need to do a little more to clean it up.... it's been in the shop for 2 years......



    Fred

    381ci all-forged stroker - 10.8:1 - CNC LT4 heads/intake - CC solid roller - MoTeC engine management - 8 LS1 coils - 58mm TB - 78# injectors - 300-shot dry nitrous - TH400 - Gear Vendor O/D - Strange 12-bolt - 4.11's - AS&M headers - duals - Corbeau seat - AutoMeter gauges - roll bar - Spohn suspension - QA1 shocks - a few other odds 'n ends. 800HP/800lb-ft at the flywheel, on a 300-shot. 11.5 @ 117MPH straight motor

  • #2
    Wow. That is immeasurably impressive. I live 15 minutes from Atco and WILL be there to see him run. Keep us posted on the progress. Very nice write up too.
    Active Duty USAF KC-10 Boom

    93 F-Body Service Manual DTC and Driveability Charts

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    • #3
      I'm not an old timer here but I do remember seeing pictures of that beast with its front tires at least 4 feet off the ground. That is an incredible piece of work. I dont know wha the guy does for a living but to afford that he must make the loot! or live in a run down trailer But seriously that is an impressive machine. at 165 mph is the covertible top going to hold up?

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      • #4
        I saw a video of that car on F-BodyHideout.com. I was just watching random videos and then all of the sudden I saw a white 4th gen Camaro convertible run a 9.XX!! I was amazed!! I can't wait to see it again.
        1991 Chevy Camaro RS (Is it plum or purple?)
        Engine: 305 TBI (L03)
        Trans: TH700R4
        Mods: Some

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        • #5
          One of the old-timers....

          I'm one of the old-timers here, well, as much of an old-timer as a 26 year old can be. I met George and his car once at a MAFBA evemt that I co-hosted in New CUmberland back in 98 or 99. I remember all of us being in awe at his 600 rwhp at that point. To think he'll be putting down over 1000 now is sick. I've been wondering what he was up to, don't see him on here very much.

          Me, personally, I would've preffered keeping the car as is. I'm always a fan of the sleeper look, and George's car was a sleeper to the nth degree. Only his liscense plate gave anything away: "XCESIVE"

          Give George my best and I wish him luck this season.
          Dave M
          Life, liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it!


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          • #6
            I rember goerge baxter wayyyy back

            I figured he would of got bored by now ... nope.. bow was I wrong

            glad to see him getting wayy up there

            I started reading this board in 97 there have been many a vids if him bieng the fastest LT1 out there
            Rhode Island Red *Lurker since 1997*

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            • #7
              can anyone host and post those old vids of his runs? Us "new-timers" would love to see him


              Also, I highly congradulate him in his efforts, and am especially impressed that this car is a convertible, and it is street legal (or is it anymore?). Also, the fact that the thing is basically stock for the body, dash, suspension, etc. is just amazing. BTW, I can read that his new license reads THE SS. That is style, right there . What kind of induction is he using? I notice its still FI, but doesn't have a plenum like a LT1, so what is it? I notice the LS1 style distributors, also

              KEEP US POSTED
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              '86 Caprice Classic. Soon to have a 350 crate motor. Shooting for 300rwhp.

              the project:
              check the www for pics, but a '36 Chevy Master Sedan, MII front end, Jaguar IRS, '93 LT1 powerplant with plans for 350rwhp, and many many other goodies

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              • #8
                Well, I can't figure out how to post a video on here but if you go to www.f-bodyhideout.com/videos.htm and go about 7/8 down the page and there are 3 videos of his car. One of a wheelstand and two of his 1/4 mile runs, 9.11 and then the 9.04!!
                1991 Chevy Camaro RS (Is it plum or purple?)
                Engine: 305 TBI (L03)
                Trans: TH700R4
                Mods: Some

                CarDomain Site

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                • #9
                  the vids from the f-body hideout (right click+save as):

                  http://www.f-bodyhideout.com/videos/baxter_transbk.wmv
                  http://www.f-bodyhideout.com/videos/baxter_9_11.wmv
                  http://www.f-bodyhideout.com/videos/baxter_9_04.wmv
                  my car:
                  '86 Caprice Classic. Soon to have a 350 crate motor. Shooting for 300rwhp.

                  the project:
                  check the www for pics, but a '36 Chevy Master Sedan, MII front end, Jaguar IRS, '93 LT1 powerplant with plans for 350rwhp, and many many other goodies

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                  • #10
                    Re: An 8-second 30th SS???, and some nostalgia (long)

                    Originally posted by Injuneer
                    I don't think there are many of the regulars left who used to hang out here back in the late 1990's....
                    Hey, hey...I'm still here. AND I don't plan on going anywhere for a long time. (LOL)

                    Seriously, the bug has a good hold of me lately. Need to decide if I'm going to open up the top end and start to play...
                    Al 96 Ram Air T/A
                    Mods: Build # 784 * Hotchkis STB * SFCs * Borla cat back w/QTP cut-out * AS&M/RK Sports Mid-length headers w/single CAT * Koni SA shocks on lower perch w/ lowered rear * Strano Hollow front & rear antisway bars * 1LE front/rear springs * 1LE aluminum driveshaft * Strange 4.10 gears w/ Zexel Torsen diff. * ARP bearing cap studs & aluminum diff cover* J&M Hotpart poly/poly rear LCAs and poly/poly panhard bar * RAM Powergrip clutch w/ LT4 PP and RAM billet Al flywheel * C5 Z06 brakes * C6 Z06 wheels * Spohn T/A * Spohn DS Loop * fully custom interior w/ custom audio

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                    • #11
                      I have been following some of Georges work for the past year or so and he is definitely going to have a mean machine when it's ready!

                      How many cubes? What is his raceweight down to now? I know it is hard to lighten up a vert! How much boost?

                      With 10xx RWHP and an estimated 3650 raceweight, he should be runnin' strong 8's.

                      BTW that car looks a little familiar. Besides being a vert of course.

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                      • #12
                        Finally! I've been to see what George was doing to his car...I've always considered it the "top LT1"...ever. Well, he doesn't have the LT1 anymore, but I still can't wait to see what he'll run.

                        I, too, have been here since early 1999...didn't post in a while when the board format changed though. BTW, I love posting here, not anywhere else...tried camaroz28.com and it didn't feel nowhere near as friendly/close as this.
                        94 Black T/A GT, Advanced Induction 355, 3200 stall, built 4L60E, Moser 9", Baer Brakes, Shooting for 11s...

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                        • #13
                          To answer some of the questions.

                          Displacement is 383 cubic inches.

                          Raceweight at last check was 3,550#. The minimum allowable in PRO/Edelbrock Xtreme Street is 3,350#, which is arrived at by a formula using the displacement, power adder and a 50# reduction for using stock style suspension. He can run it at 3,350#, but I don't think we can get it that low.

                          It is not "street legal".... at least not in the latest version. The previous LT1 setup was "streetable" when it had the full exhaust system, and the car had a NJ emissions sticker and valid license plates. I think it really stopped being a true "street car" at about the 950HP level.

                          The current license plate reads "NTHE 9S".... but he still has the "XCESIVE" plates and is going to put them back on. I liked the TB cover plate he had on the LT1 engine... "Just Enuff". The car is often pictured in Art Carr advertisements, with the "XCESIVE" plate on it.



                          The 9.04 video and the 4-ft wheelstand pictures are ones that I took. The video is so poor because I didn't intend to tape the entire pass.... I was kneeling on the ground just behind the passenger side of the car, trying to get a good video of how the suspension responded to the launch. That was just an "easy launch", right off the trailer, to warm it up and see what we had to do to the suspension to keep it on the ground. Unfortunately, very earlier in the pass it appeared to run rich, and when we checked the blower had decided to shed a few blade tips, and that was the end of the season.... I'm convinced the car was ready for an 8.8x pass.... but it never got the chance.

                          I don't know what brand the intake manifold it.... but yes, still fuel injected, using a MoTeC M800 ECU, and their 8-channel ignition to drive the LS1 coils. There is no distributor... it runs on cam and crank position sensors. Its sort of amazing that the engine actually fit under the stock SS hood. The cowl had to be cut for the intake elbow, and the wipers are gone. Interesting - the Xtreme Street rules do not allow the hood scoop to be open, so there is a removable blocking plate in it for running under those rules.

                          George works a mundane 9-5 job just like most of us. He also owns a gas station, and has an interest in several other businesses. But he's older.... like Ken C.
                          Fred

                          381ci all-forged stroker - 10.8:1 - CNC LT4 heads/intake - CC solid roller - MoTeC engine management - 8 LS1 coils - 58mm TB - 78# injectors - 300-shot dry nitrous - TH400 - Gear Vendor O/D - Strange 12-bolt - 4.11's - AS&M headers - duals - Corbeau seat - AutoMeter gauges - roll bar - Spohn suspension - QA1 shocks - a few other odds 'n ends. 800HP/800lb-ft at the flywheel, on a 300-shot. 11.5 @ 117MPH straight motor

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                          • #14
                            wow. id love to see that car in person. my ill plan my next trip to the strip on a day that hell be there. where is atco, for some reason i think thats somewhat close to me. im in ct the only strip ive been to is raceway park nj.
                            -ken-
                            ~~~The Twisted One~~~

                            My 30th is gone but soon a new era will begin.

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                            • #15
                              He's trying to decide where to test it.... the first choice is Island Dragway, off I-80 in northwestern NJ. But he's also looking at Maple Grove, since he now lives in PA, and Steve Spohn could be at Maple Grove to check the suspension. If he goes to E'town Raceway Park, it would have to be on a Sunday, when they allow "unmuffled" cars, and charge $100 to race, to limit it to serious racers - 6 passes guaranteed.

                              Atco PRO/Edelbrock is May 21-23. I think the LS1 North vs. South shoutout in Indy is in June. Maple Grove PRO/Edelbrock is August 27-29.

                              Atco is in South Jersey... probably the furthest track from you. I think its about 25 miles off Exit 7 of the NJ Turnpike.

                              http://www.atcorace.com/directions.shtml
                              Fred

                              381ci all-forged stroker - 10.8:1 - CNC LT4 heads/intake - CC solid roller - MoTeC engine management - 8 LS1 coils - 58mm TB - 78# injectors - 300-shot dry nitrous - TH400 - Gear Vendor O/D - Strange 12-bolt - 4.11's - AS&M headers - duals - Corbeau seat - AutoMeter gauges - roll bar - Spohn suspension - QA1 shocks - a few other odds 'n ends. 800HP/800lb-ft at the flywheel, on a 300-shot. 11.5 @ 117MPH straight motor

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