short in wiring

[mike18]

well after replcing the starter there is a short. i know its the starter. The starter i took out had 3 wires that connected to it. 1 fat one and 2 little ones. 1 little wire was black other was neg. well the new starter i put in only had 2 spots to connect wires, the big one and a small one. i connected the big one in and i think it was the black one i put on the little one.
Can someone tell me if i have to rewire it? its causing a short with the stereo amp power cable(has its own fuse). help~

btw its a 94 formula. with a 95 motor in it (original motor died)

[wako29]

you sure the black wire isn't the ground as well?

I'm no electrician, but I would say to twist the two small wires together and put them on the "small wire" spot.

Also, to help everyone, what kind of starter is this one? Obviously it isn't the stock one because it is completely different, but if it is, which year is it for?

[mike18]

dont know the year. got it from junkyard. looked new. guy said it was a standard GM starter. I wanst there to pick it up a friend of mine did. when i get under the car again ill take a pic of it.

[wako29]

yea, there is no such thing as "a standard GM starter." You mean that the same starter for a 454 will fit that of the I6?

Now. there are two very common types AFAIK, the starter for a 168-tooth flywheel, and one for a 153-tooth one. I know that in the 3rd gens the T-5 manual got the 153-tooth, while the 700R4 got the 168-tooth.
Now, if you have the T56 manual, then I really can't say which one is for you, but I would bet money that the 4L60E is running the 168-tooth flywheel.

hope this will hope. If you really want to be sure as to what you have, then see if you can cross-reference the numbers from the starter and see WTH this is even from.

[Rob B (shoebox)]

4th gens use 153 tooth flywheels and flexplates.

There should only be 2 wires going to the starter. One small purple one that goes to the outside small terminal and the large positive cable that goes to the bottom large terminal.

There is another small wire in the harness with them (usually black/white stripe) that is a ground that goes to a small lug on the block that is below #6 spark plug.

If you put both of those small wires on one lug on the starter, you are causing a major short that could affect the PCM, since that is one place the ground goes.

[wako29]

Originally posted by Rob B (shoebox)
4th gens use 153 tooth flywheels and flexplates.

for both trannys? The same 700 in the '93 is the same as the 3rd gens, and I thought the 4L60E was basically the same 700, but was just electronic. Whatever though.

[fastTa]

93 and up LT1's and LS1's M6 or 4L60E got a 153 tooth starter ring gear.

[Rob B (shoebox)]

Originally posted by wako29
for both trannys? The same 700 in the '93 is the same as the 3rd gens, and I thought the 4L60E was basically the same 700, but was just electronic. Whatever though.

Just relating what the parts books show.

[mike18]

Well i finially got a chance to get under the car. I know i disconnected 3 wires, but when i went under the car now i dont see a 3rd one anywhere. i looked all over in there and dont see it. I wanna find this wire and see if it is the cause of blowing the fuse going to amp. the car will be off and it will blow the fuse.
Could this starter cause it? ill get pics of old starter asap. i might try and take my friends starter of his transam since its basically a $6000 paperweight(major elecrical problem nightmare.

[mike18]

ok the two wires i got are the 1 fat one and 1 small red one. am i supposed to have a third? and if i am lol, where did it go!?!?! oh and from one of the posts above i saw the ground thats black with white stribe bolted to block, i didnt touch and im not going to

[Rob B (shoebox)]

Originally posted by mike18
ok the two wires i got are the 1 fat one and 1 small red one. am i supposed to have a third? and if i am lol, where did it go!?!?! oh and from one of the posts above i saw the ground thats black with white stribe bolted to block, i didnt touch and im not going to

Like I said before, only 2 wires going to the starter. Small purple and the black battery cable. For the life of me, I don't know why the battery cable is black!