Ready for a conspiracy theory?

[Roger in Kensington]

I can't believe this.

How can any rational person believe this crap?

This is like believing Franklin Roosevelt knew about the Japanese plans to bomb Pearl Harbor, yet did nothing to avert it (see Day of Deceipt, by Robert B. Stinnett). [Great read. Lots of research and facts. Yet it is not true that we had completely broken the Japanese code, as was evident 6 months later during the Battle of Midway].

So, assuming what Jay's "evidence" says is true: Why?

To invade Afghanistan for no reason? For what purpose? A gas pipeline? The deal was cut -- and abandoned -- during the Clinton administration. Oil? Afghanistan has little or . (And why not simply lift the sanctions on Iraq and get all the oil you want? Or better yet, take over Saudi Arabia since we already had the military on the ground there to do it?)

I've been around plenty long enough to ask this question of any conspiracy theory (ESPECIALLY the convoluted, intricate, complicated ones that require the complicity of dozens -- if not hundreds -- of individuals): Does this sound reasonable?

I mean, given the number of people who would have to be involved (pilots, ground crews, civilian air traffic controllers, upper levels of the chain of command, flight crews, foreign surveillance assets, eyewitnesses, and so forth), the planning, the resources, the timing, etc., could one reasonably expect to pull off such a thing and get away with it without someone spilling the beans.

Well, could you???!!!???

Sorry, but it doesn't pass the "reasonable" test. I'm surprised that anyone could take it seriously, much less the generally "reasonable" people who frequent this board.

[Mark B]

Roger...I think you are missing the main fact they are leaning this conspiracy on... There was no plane wreckage! There would have to be some evidence of the plane that hit the building.


Now here is my question... If that was a missle, where did the 757 that is now missing go? It didnt land at its destination & those people are gone. If that conspiracy is right, I can see two possible reasons for the cover up...


1) The 757 was hijacked. The US had to shoot it down becasuse they didnt want it to hit its target. So they shoot a missile at the pentagon and say that it was the 757 that they had already shot down. In order to avoid bad press and lawsuits.

2) For some reason or another, the government doesnt want us to know what really happened to the 757 on that morning. At the same time a terrorist shot a missle at the Pentagon. The government fused the two stories together to make the one they published. And killed two birds with one stone.

Either could work.

[Z Ya Later]

Sorry, but it seems like a crock to me. Next thing someone's gonna say the aliens in Area 51 escaped and did it for payback and the government used it as an excuse lol. Sorry, but the image they try to pass off as not being the 757 is way too garbled and i'm not convinced it was a missle. Nice laugh though lol

[Joe 1320]

Ever hit concrete with a hammer? Chucks will break off but the breaking point turns to dust. Drop a cinderblock off a 5th flood window and it pulverises when it hits the asphalt. Other dust will be from insulation, drywall and other various crap.

Steel can be heated as mentioned in a regular fire enough to get it to bend slightly. Apply enough load to a heated steel beam, it will bend. Enough load and the compression causes heat itself. Add everything up and you get exactly what happened. No WTC conspiracy here.

Anyone ever weld aluminum? It takes far less heat than steel. One little mistake and the aluminum vaporises. You take an aluminum jet traveling at over 500 mph and slam it into several consecutive concrete walls and combine it with jet fuel as a combustable and you still think anything will be left? The only thing that I suspect would have been left are a few titanium parts from the engine turbines if those didn't fracture into tiny shards upon impact.

Some people, while looking for their moment of fame come up with the wildest stories.

[Roger in Kensington]

Let's do our homework, fellas and gals.

Roger...I think you are missing the main fact they are leaning this conspiracy on... There was no plane wreckage! There would have to be some evidence of the plane that hit the building.


Now here is my question... If that was a missle, where did the 757 that is now missing go? It didnt land at its destination & those people are gone. If that conspiracy is right, I can see two possible reasons for the cover up...


1) The 757 was hijacked. The US had to shoot it down becasuse they didnt want it to hit its target. So they shoot a missile at the pentagon and say that it was the 757 that they had already shot down. In order to avoid bad press and lawsuits.

2) For some reason or another, the government doesnt want us to know what really happened to the 757 on that morning. At the same time a terrorist shot a missle at the Pentagon. The government fused the two stories together to make the one they published. And killed two birds with one stone.

Either could work.

Okay, please explain to me what kind of a missile penetrated all 5 rings? I live in Washington. The Pentagon is a pretty big building. The area around it is heavily populated. Would take a pretty big missile to do that kind of damage. Not something likely to be easily hidden.

Do you really believe that someone (or ones) could fire off a missile from a crowded area during the morning rush hour and nobode notice it?

Of course, one would also have to dismiss the eyewitnesses who saw the plane hit the Pentagon:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

Could we please start using a little clear-think here?

[Camaro4-2]

What a bunch of crap. You would not have to make steel reach its (liquid)melting point for it to fail. Just get it red hot and its strength is severely limited. We've gotten steel tubing to bend in a campfire when struck lightly, it is not that hard to do.

The guy that put that site together is an idiot. Obviously it DID get hot enough to fail, because IT DID FAIL!
If he is suggesting that something other than the fires brought down the buildings, he is off his rocker. Plain and simple, nobody would intentionally do something like that and get away with covering it up. There are not that many eveil people that high in our government. If something like that were possible, we would see it with other problems elsewhere. This is just dumb.

He even disputes the way the concrete turned to powder.

He's right. it is all a big conspiracy. It began when the buildings were built, and they used "fake" powder-crete instead of concrete. Jeesh, what a loser. If you try hard enough you can make a web site showing damn near anything.

What Tracy fails to mention in this post is that she is a former CIA clandestine operative, dont buy into her cover-ups thats all shes doing...the truth is out there

Neat idea though, althought 99.999% probability of being false. But I was always under the impression that flash videos were for entertainment purposes only...

[N20LT4Bird]

Another plausable explanation..........aliens.

[Joe 1320]

Another plausable explanation..........aliens.

Now you're talkin'. I knew dem thar things wuz up to no good.

[fastTa]

Don't forget the other plausable explanation. The pentagon could have been struck with the Predator's self destruct device during a fight with the Alien.

[Craig 94 TA GT]

Don't forget the other plausable explanation. The pentagon could have been struck with the Predator's self destruct device during a fight with the Alien.

lololol

[Mike71]

i say it the lawn gnomes(sp?) pissed off at the brown spots in the lawn (recent comercials lol)

[Z Ya Later]

No way guys. It was Lrrr, from Omicron Persei VIII, pissed off because someone cancelled Single Female Lawyer. lol Sorry, too much Futurama.

[Dave M]

People often describe a tornado as sounding like a freight train, does that mean "tornados" are actually government conspiracy covering up the fact that freight trains are actually destroying hundreds of homes in the midwest.

Thousands of people saw the Pentagon get hit, but yet this video chooses half a dozen who know nothing about aviation and chose to describe the sound as that of a "missile", and the plane as a "commuter jet". Just because it sounded like a missile, doesn't mean it actually was. And as other have pointed out, a plan travelling at 500 mph hitting a building the size and thinkness of the Pentagon?.... let's just say I'm not surprised they didn't find much wreckage.

You'll notice that no one is saying this about the WTC attacks, because there were numerous public videos showing the event. Had there been such a video at the Pentagon, the wind would have been taken out of their sails. Simply because the government hasn't realeased the videos that were taken, doesn't mean there's anything sinister behind it. I think people give our government a little too much credit. The video mentioned that some employees of a hotel watched its video in disblief, until the FBI confiscated it, implying something unusual about the video. Yet it contained no quotes from those employees about what the tape actually contained.

Further, we have the problem of the missing plane that otherwise would have crashed into the Pentagon. If it had been shot down, air traffic controllers would have seen this, witnesses on the ground would have likely seen it, wreckage would have been found, etc.

This video is just complete and utter BS, made to stir up crap, as it has obviously done. It asks a lot of questions but never poses any answers. If it wasn't a 757 at the Pentagon, what was it? The video alludes to a couple of things, but doesn't come out and make a statement. Was it a small commuter plane? If so, why was that plane never reported missing by the family members on board? Why was it reported as a 757 crossing the highway and not this smaller plane? There's not much confusing a 10-12 seat plane with a 757. Was it a missle? Again, a missle travels at many times the speed of sound and could not have been confused with a plane. A missle likelty wouldn't have done nearly that much damage to the Pentagon. People don't realize just how large that structure is, and it was designed to defend against just such an attack. After all, it was built during the cold war.

[Bond Hawk]

I have friends that witnessed the crash on the way to work in DC, so that conspiracy talk is BS. The air traffic controllers were amazed at an aerial maneuver (sharp turn) the hijacker made in such a large plane, right before he aimed it into the Pentagon. They said it's the type of move they've only seen a fighter jet make in the past. Guess the bozo just got lucky.