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    Are these long tube headers?

    These are the headers I have on my car (except mine are the dual cat). THey are Arizona Speed and Marine headers. They look like shorties and I always thought they were, but they are advertised as long tubes....what gives? Are they a two-piece long tube?

    http://www.azspeed-marine.com/as19lt1flotu.html
    96 WS6 Formula: Ram Air, 383 Stroker, Ported LT4 Heads and Manifold, 1.6 Crane Rollers, 58MM T.B., AS&M Headers, Borla Exhaust, Meziere Elec. H2O Pump, Canton Deep Sump Oil Pan, 100 HP OF TNT N2O!! , T56 Conversion w/ Pro 5.0 shifter, SPEC Stage 3 Clutch, Hotchkiss Subframe Conn., Lakewood Adj. Panhard Bar, Spohn Adj. LCA's, BMR Adj. T.A., Custom 12 bolt w/ 3:73's, Moser Axles, Eaton Posi, Moser Girdle
    11.6 @ 123mph (1.6 60' - getting there )
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  • #2
    Ya, those are Longtube

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    • #3
      Scratch that, they are not the same The headers I have came with the car when I bought it and I thought they were AS&M, but I think I am wrong.
      96 WS6 Formula: Ram Air, 383 Stroker, Ported LT4 Heads and Manifold, 1.6 Crane Rollers, 58MM T.B., AS&M Headers, Borla Exhaust, Meziere Elec. H2O Pump, Canton Deep Sump Oil Pan, 100 HP OF TNT N2O!! , T56 Conversion w/ Pro 5.0 shifter, SPEC Stage 3 Clutch, Hotchkiss Subframe Conn., Lakewood Adj. Panhard Bar, Spohn Adj. LCA's, BMR Adj. T.A., Custom 12 bolt w/ 3:73's, Moser Axles, Eaton Posi, Moser Girdle
      11.6 @ 123mph (1.6 60' - getting there )

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      • #4
        Those don't look like long tubes to me.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Joe 1320
          Those don't look like long tubes to me.
          That what I thought.....
          96 WS6 Formula: Ram Air, 383 Stroker, Ported LT4 Heads and Manifold, 1.6 Crane Rollers, 58MM T.B., AS&M Headers, Borla Exhaust, Meziere Elec. H2O Pump, Canton Deep Sump Oil Pan, 100 HP OF TNT N2O!! , T56 Conversion w/ Pro 5.0 shifter, SPEC Stage 3 Clutch, Hotchkiss Subframe Conn., Lakewood Adj. Panhard Bar, Spohn Adj. LCA's, BMR Adj. T.A., Custom 12 bolt w/ 3:73's, Moser Axles, Eaton Posi, Moser Girdle
          11.6 @ 123mph (1.6 60' - getting there )

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          • #6
            I thought the AS&M headers were mid-length?
            94 Black T/A GT, Advanced Induction 355, 3200 stall, built 4L60E, Moser 9", Baer Brakes, Shooting for 11s...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by N20LT4Bird
              These are the headers I have on my car (except mine are the dual cat). THey are Arizona Speed and Marine headers. They look like shorties and I always thought they were, but they are advertised as long tubes....what gives? Are they a two-piece long tube?

              http://www.azspeed-marine.com/as19lt1flotu.html
              The headers in your link appear to be mid-lengths. Usually the collector on LT's will extend well past the flexplate or flywheel.

              Here are the Jet Hot LT's on a LT1:

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              • #8
                These are the only pics of my headers I could dig up. Its not the best view. Can anyone recognize them? What brand? Im just curious.
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                96 WS6 Formula: Ram Air, 383 Stroker, Ported LT4 Heads and Manifold, 1.6 Crane Rollers, 58MM T.B., AS&M Headers, Borla Exhaust, Meziere Elec. H2O Pump, Canton Deep Sump Oil Pan, 100 HP OF TNT N2O!! , T56 Conversion w/ Pro 5.0 shifter, SPEC Stage 3 Clutch, Hotchkiss Subframe Conn., Lakewood Adj. Panhard Bar, Spohn Adj. LCA's, BMR Adj. T.A., Custom 12 bolt w/ 3:73's, Moser Axles, Eaton Posi, Moser Girdle
                11.6 @ 123mph (1.6 60' - getting there )

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                • #9
                  People tend to call them "mid-lengths". They are not a long tube. They can support significant amounts of power. A friend of mine dyno'd at 850flywheelHP with the AS&M's and in his particular setup, they made better power than Hooker LT's. On the other hand, when he changed the cam and pushed it to 925HP the Hookers made the best power. I took his AS&M's and put them on my car Not a bad deal for $175.



                  Fred

                  381ci all-forged stroker - 10.8:1 - CNC LT4 heads/intake - CC solid roller - MoTeC engine management - 8 LS1 coils - 58mm TB - 78# injectors - 300-shot dry nitrous - TH400 - Gear Vendor O/D - Strange 12-bolt - 4.11's - AS&M headers - duals - Corbeau seat - AutoMeter gauges - roll bar - Spohn suspension - QA1 shocks - a few other odds 'n ends. 800HP/800lb-ft at the flywheel, on a 300-shot. 11.5 @ 117MPH straight motor

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                  • #10
                    Fred those look similiar to my headers. What do you think? Are they AS&M's?
                    96 WS6 Formula: Ram Air, 383 Stroker, Ported LT4 Heads and Manifold, 1.6 Crane Rollers, 58MM T.B., AS&M Headers, Borla Exhaust, Meziere Elec. H2O Pump, Canton Deep Sump Oil Pan, 100 HP OF TNT N2O!! , T56 Conversion w/ Pro 5.0 shifter, SPEC Stage 3 Clutch, Hotchkiss Subframe Conn., Lakewood Adj. Panhard Bar, Spohn Adj. LCA's, BMR Adj. T.A., Custom 12 bolt w/ 3:73's, Moser Axles, Eaton Posi, Moser Girdle
                    11.6 @ 123mph (1.6 60' - getting there )

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by N20LT4Bird
                      These are the only pics of my headers I could dig up. Its not the best view. Can anyone recognize them? What brand? Im just curious.
                      Kinda hard to tell from the pics, but they sure look like AS&M mids. The curve and overall bend of the the #2 primary looks very similar to the AS&M's. The shape of the collector and the air provisions also look the same.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by fastTA
                        Kinda hard to tell from the pics, but they sure look like AS&M mids. The curve and overall bend of the the #2 primary looks very similar to the AS&M's. The shape of the collector and the air provisions also look the same.
                        Yea, those are the best pics I had of the headers out of the car I think youre right though........I know the previous owner bought stuff from AS&M as their bumper sticker WAS on the back of my car.
                        96 WS6 Formula: Ram Air, 383 Stroker, Ported LT4 Heads and Manifold, 1.6 Crane Rollers, 58MM T.B., AS&M Headers, Borla Exhaust, Meziere Elec. H2O Pump, Canton Deep Sump Oil Pan, 100 HP OF TNT N2O!! , T56 Conversion w/ Pro 5.0 shifter, SPEC Stage 3 Clutch, Hotchkiss Subframe Conn., Lakewood Adj. Panhard Bar, Spohn Adj. LCA's, BMR Adj. T.A., Custom 12 bolt w/ 3:73's, Moser Axles, Eaton Posi, Moser Girdle
                        11.6 @ 123mph (1.6 60' - getting there )

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                        • #13
                          rksport makes a header that is almost identical to the AS&M and they are a two piece too. Could it be this one??
                          97 SS #C007
                          Polo Green w/ tan leather A4
                          SLP headers, Loudmouth, Koni SA, Spohn LCA, Spohn PHR, Spohn relo brackets, pro-kit, B&M Stage II Shift Kit, air foil, 160 therm, LT4 KM, BFG KDW

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NorthernSS
                            rksport makes a header that is almost identical to the AS&M and they are a two piece too. Could it be this one??

                            Those look identical to my headers.......I wonder if there is an easy way to tell the difference?
                            96 WS6 Formula: Ram Air, 383 Stroker, Ported LT4 Heads and Manifold, 1.6 Crane Rollers, 58MM T.B., AS&M Headers, Borla Exhaust, Meziere Elec. H2O Pump, Canton Deep Sump Oil Pan, 100 HP OF TNT N2O!! , T56 Conversion w/ Pro 5.0 shifter, SPEC Stage 3 Clutch, Hotchkiss Subframe Conn., Lakewood Adj. Panhard Bar, Spohn Adj. LCA's, BMR Adj. T.A., Custom 12 bolt w/ 3:73's, Moser Axles, Eaton Posi, Moser Girdle
                            11.6 @ 123mph (1.6 60' - getting there )

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by N20LT4Bird
                              Those look identical to my headers.......I wonder if there is an easy way to tell the difference?
                              Sean I am not sure about the AS&M's or the RK Sport's, but most header manufacturers (like Hooker) will put a tag on the #1 primary.

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