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  • Sad day - George Baxter's 8-second SS is "gone"

    I don't know how many of you followed my posts regarding George's 8-second 30th SS convertible, but is was disheartening when he decided he needed to sell it for business reasons. Not even sure if anyone cares, but I need to "ramble".

    I was able to set up a deal on it, and the 30th SS, the enclosed trailer and the Suburban tow vehicle left NJ for CA last Friday. Can't say who bought it, or anything about the price, but its gone.

    Sort of the end of an era. I had the good fortune to work with George and watch the car go from a lightly mod'd S/C'd LT1 to the screaming 1,325HP, 8-second monster that it became, over the course of 6 years. I was with him when it made the first 10-sec, 9-sec and 8-sec passes. I managed to video his (at the time) "quickest LT1 pass" of 9.04 @ 155mph in late 2001. It took almost two years for someone to top that (Chris Sekora), and it's still only been beat by 1/10th.

    So its almost a sense of personal loss to see the car sold - and George even told me he almost wished I hadn't found a buyer. Seems to me that the whole "LT1 scene" is changing. The MAFBA members that formed the nucleus of this site back in the late 1990's are mostly gone - even Ken C. had seperated from his Comp T/A. MAFBA appears to have all but disappeared.

    On the local scene, our "Central Jeresy Camaro/Firebird Owners", that George an I started 5 years ago has fallen dormant. The thing that really seemed to put the nails in the coffin was the large number of people who no longer drove their cars a "daily drivers"..... too many of us decided to build "track cars", that might at best be driven once in a while on the street. That, in retrospect is a mistake. The most fun you can have with the car it on the street. Even my wife made a surprise comment last week, as we were driving along in my POS Cavalier "company car"...... "Why don't you put the green car (aka - Formula) back on the road so we can have fun with it?". And George's final comment, after talking for about a 1/2-hour on the loss of the 30th SS was "I never had as much fun with that car as I did when I drove it on the street!".

    Something to think about.... building a 9-second or 8-second race car is expensive, time consuming, and takes a lot of the fun out of owning these cars. They are meant to be driven on the street, not stored in garages and taken out for "special events".

    Just a thought.
    Fred

    381ci all-forged stroker - 10.8:1 - CNC LT4 heads/intake - CC solid roller - MoTeC engine management - 8 LS1 coils - 58mm TB - 78# injectors - 300-shot dry nitrous - TH400 - Gear Vendor O/D - Strange 12-bolt - 4.11's - AS&M headers - duals - Corbeau seat - AutoMeter gauges - roll bar - Spohn suspension - QA1 shocks - a few other odds 'n ends. 800HP/800lb-ft at the flywheel, on a 300-shot. 11.5 @ 117MPH straight motor

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    Yea I did the same thing. I started with a puny little Dodge Dart with a slant six. I dropped a 340 in it. Then took it out and built it and stuck a 6 pack on it. All that needed a heavy clutch. Then I put in some 3.91 gears. In 4th it turned around 3000 rpms at 55mph. It got about 8 mpgs. So I bought a 79 Capri RS with a 302 as a daily driver. It had front and rear sway bars and those TRX tires. With the rack an pinion it drove so much better than the dart. The dart had 4 wheel drum brakes. It was an adventure to hit them. It took me several years to sell it and I only got $1200 for it. I swore never again. My biggest regret is I never took it to the track. My 85 Mustang turned about 14.0 in the 1/4. One day I bought a house. A friend of mine drove the dart over while I followed him in my Mustang. He turned the corner, punched it and walked me by about 10 car lengths before I hit 3rd gear. I loved the sound of that thing. You could hear that six pack a 1/4 mile away. What a sad day when it left on a trailer.

    I feel your pain.
    2002 Electron Blue Vette, 1SC, FE3/Z51, G92 3.15 gears, 308.9 RWHP 321.7 RWTQ (before any mods), SLP headers, Z06 exhaust, MSD Ignition Wires, AC Delco Iridium Spark Plugs, 160 t-stat, lots of ECM tuning

    1995 Z28, many mods, SOLD

    A proud member of the "F-Body Dirty Dozen"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Injuneer
      I don't know how many of you followed my posts regarding George's 8-second 30th SS convertible, but is was disheartening when he decided he needed to sell it for business reasons. Not even sure if anyone cares, but I need to "ramble".

      I was able to set up a deal on it, and the 30th SS, the enclosed trailer and the Suburban tow vehicle left NJ for CA last Friday. Can't say who bought it, or anything about the price, but its gone.

      Sort of the end of an era. I had the good fortune to work with George and watch the car go from a lightly mod'd S/C'd LT1 to the screaming 1,325HP, 8-second monster that it became, over the course of 6 years. I was with him when it made the first 10-sec, 9-sec and 8-sec passes. I managed to video his (at the time) "quickest LT1 pass" of 9.04 @ 155mph in late 2001. It took almost two years for someone to top that (Chris Sekora), and it's still only been beat by 1/10th.

      So its almost a sense of personal loss to see the car sold - and George even told me he almost wished I hadn't found a buyer. Seems to me that the whole "LT1 scene" is changing. The MAFBA members that formed the nucleus of this site back in the late 1990's are mostly gone - even Ken C. had seperated from his Comp T/A. MAFBA appears to have all but disappeared.

      On the local scene, our "Central Jeresy Camaro/Firebird Owners", that George an I started 5 years ago has fallen dormant. The thing that really seemed to put the nails in the coffin was the large number of people who no longer drove their cars a "daily drivers"..... too many of us decided to build "track cars", that might at best be driven once in a while on the street. That, in retrospect is a mistake. The most fun you can have with the car it on the street. Even my wife made a surprise comment last week, as we were driving along in my POS Cavalier "company car"...... "Why don't you put the green car (aka - Formula) back on the road so we can have fun with it?". And George's final comment, after talking for about a 1/2-hour on the loss of the 30th SS was "I never had as much fun with that car as I did when I drove it on the street!".

      Something to think about.... building a 9-second or 8-second race car is expensive, time consuming, and takes a lot of the fun out of owning these cars. They are meant to be driven on the street, not stored in garages and taken out for "special events".

      Just a thought.
      Exactly why I keep my mods to a minimum. My car is, and will always be a "street car". If I can't give the keys to my wife and let her drive it, it is no longer a car I want. I would only build a track car if i could afford to have both my current car and a track car. Then it would be cool.
      Tracy
      2002 C5 M6 Convertible
      1994 Z28 M6 Convertible
      Current Mods:
      SLP Ultra-Z functional ramair, SS Spoiler, STB, SFCs, Headers, Clutch, Bilstein Shocks, and TB Airfoil. 17x9 SS rims with Goodyear tires, 160F T-Stat, MSD Blaster Coil, Taylor wires, Hurst billet shifter, Borla catback with QTP e-cutout, Tuned PCM, 1LE Swaybars, 1LE driveshaft, ES bushings, White gauges, C5 front brakes, !CAGS, Bose/Soundstream audio, CST leather interior, synthetic fluids

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      • #4
        I know what you mean. We have guys down here that build crazy, nasty, obnoxious cars that technically are "street legal" but you'd have to be high on crack and drunk to even attempt to drive it on the road.

        It is my opinion, that if a car does not have air conditioning and a radio, then it is not a street car. But that's a whole 'nother argument.

        I feel your pain and George's. But maybe, George can come back and build a quick street car and get the happiness back he was missing.
        "No, officer, that bottle is my onboard Halon system"

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        • #5
          Yea but Fred u forgot about all of us young kids that are saving up money for f-body's. The f-body may run out of production but it will always be in our hearts. I personally plan on keeping my car my whole life. Not just becuase it is a extiinct car but it has a sentimental value to me, becuase it is my first investment and i will pay it off in march. There are a few clubs here in chicago that are stifll running strong such as the Midwest F-body Ass. My car will never be a straight track car. Im oging to have it be a 9 or 10 second street car. It may be far fetched and sound a little crazy but ur right about how much more fun it is to drive ur car on the street.
          tom
          1996 Trans Am:T-tops,graphite leather,16" chrome T/A rims, Nitto's, Descreened MAF, Morosso CAI, hypertech, flowtech cut out, 1LE elbow, Silver BMR tubular SFC's, 160 thermo, limo tint, harwood ws6 hood, !side molding, Stage 2 trans.

          Looking for a driver side window.

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          • #6
            I went through all of that about 15 years ago. I don't bother with the maximum effort stuff anymore, the joy is indeed lost when you can't enjoy a more streetable combination that you can actually... dare I say... take it on a road trip.

            As far as the F-body goes, it will never die in my heart. I will always own at least one.

            I also have to say, this is why I love my GN. An honest 10 second street car with a/c, closed exhaust and could be driven daily. Sure it handles like an oxcart. Keep it in a straight line drag race and life is pretty good.

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            • #7
              when I bought the Z06 last year, I'll admit, the thought of selling my Formula crossed my mind.....but that is all it was, a thought.....

              these cars are soooooo much fun on the street
              DWS
              Silver M6 '95 Formula-sold to MCKNBRD

              Zaino all the way!!

              '03 Z06....Donaldson Blackwing, CAGS, '04 Z06 shocks, ceramic pads

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Injuneer
                I don't know how many of you followed my posts regarding George's 8-second 30th SS convertible, but is was disheartening when he decided he needed to sell it for business reasons. Not even sure if anyone cares, but I need to "ramble".

                I was able to set up a deal on it, and the 30th SS, the enclosed trailer and the Suburban tow vehicle left NJ for CA last Friday. Can't say who bought it, or anything about the price, but its gone.

                Sort of the end of an era. I had the good fortune to work with George and watch the car go from a lightly mod'd S/C'd LT1 to the screaming 1,325HP, 8-second monster that it became, over the course of 6 years. I was with him when it made the first 10-sec, 9-sec and 8-sec passes. I managed to video his (at the time) "quickest LT1 pass" of 9.04 @ 155mph in late 2001. It took almost two years for someone to top that (Chris Sekora), and it's still only been beat by 1/10th.

                So its almost a sense of personal loss to see the car sold - and George even told me he almost wished I hadn't found a buyer. Seems to me that the whole "LT1 scene" is changing. The MAFBA members that formed the nucleus of this site back in the late 1990's are mostly gone - even Ken C. had seperated from his Comp T/A. MAFBA appears to have all but disappeared.

                On the local scene, our "Central Jeresy Camaro/Firebird Owners", that George an I started 5 years ago has fallen dormant. The thing that really seemed to put the nails in the coffin was the large number of people who no longer drove their cars a "daily drivers"..... too many of us decided to build "track cars", that might at best be driven once in a while on the street. That, in retrospect is a mistake. The most fun you can have with the car it on the street. Even my wife made a surprise comment last week, as we were driving along in my POS Cavalier "company car"...... "Why don't you put the green car (aka - Formula) back on the road so we can have fun with it?". And George's final comment, after talking for about a 1/2-hour on the loss of the 30th SS was "I never had as much fun with that car as I did when I drove it on the street!".

                Something to think about.... building a 9-second or 8-second race car is expensive, time consuming, and takes a lot of the fun out of owning these cars. They are meant to be driven on the street, not stored in garages and taken out for "special events".

                Just a thought.
                Translation = George and Fred each need a C6 (Z06 if they can wait that long)
                1994 Z28, 6 spd, LE2 Heads, GM 1.6 RR, .026" head gasket, SLP: CAI-Headers (CARB legal)-ypipe-2 on the left-lightweight flywheel-short throw, Random tech cat, CF dual friction, LT-4 KM.

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                • #9
                  I get asked all the time.. are you going to do this or do that to your car? Its not a perfect car.. so I say HECK NO.. I will put rims etc on it but Its my TOY.. I LOVE to drive it around town and ENJOY IT.. I have a ways to go before its as nice as I want it to be.. but it won't EVER be a show car.. then I will be afraid to drive it to walmart


                  AL


                  1995 Z28 M6 Ragtop
                  Mods are:
                  18X9 1/2 ZO6 rims
                  Hot Wheels steering wheel cover
                  Hurst Classic Shifter Ball with 6-speed pattern
                  K&N CAI , I LIKE IT!! it REALLY does make a difference!


                  more pictures of the hooptie

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                  • #10
                    In My Honest Opinion it has to do with your own personal preference...as for me I love to bracket race and that is what I built my 94 camaro for I had it on the street for about a year and really disliked driving it on the street but then again I have raced for only 8 years now (I know not very long but long enough to have made a decision of what I like and dislike)

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                    • #11
                      I too know where you're coming from...

                      Well, as a wayward youth, I built the heck out of my 69 Roadrunner - forged 440, big cam, ported nitrous, Weiand crossflow with 3 deuces, Ratco 747 manual shift, Dana 60 with a 3.91 and a 4 point roll bar - but you know, I drove it cross country after that and got 17 mpg. Still, it was on the ragged edge for the street and the lessons I learned from that I remembered when building my 95 TA.

                      Everything on the TA is mild, but all adds up to a matching package. It's dependable enough to drive 600 mi round trip to the CC Nats in Minnesota every year, but fun enough to take to the track if I want. I am just about done with modding it because if I bolt on slicks, I will go fast enough (<11.5 sec)to need a roll bar or get kicked off the track, and if I add much more power, my trans might have to be swapped for a TH400. I never put strictly a Drag suspension on there either, which hurts at the track, but is better every other day I drive it. It's tough not to get caught up in overmodding the car, but you guys are right - street cars are more fun 95% of the time, and the more streetable the car is, the better you enjoy it. Not only that, but you can sink a TON OF MONEY in these things with no hope of ever getting it back when you sell.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Injuneer
                        The thing that really seemed to put the nails in the coffin was the large number of people who no longer drove their cars a "daily drivers"..... too many of us decided to build "track cars", that might at best be driven once in a while on the street. That, in retrospect is a mistake. The most fun you can have with the car it on the street. Even my wife made a surprise comment last week, as we were driving along in my POS Cavalier "company car"...... "Why don't you put the green car (aka - Formula) back on the road so we can have fun with it?". And George's final comment, after talking for about a 1/2-hour on the loss of the 30th SS was "I never had as much fun with that car as I did when I drove it on the street!".
                        Wise words from two gentlemen that I always have been consider them a truly and trusty F-body enthusiasts. No more to add Fred's wife comment, save as the expression of the ancient wonderful practical and realistic women's mind, no doubt about it.
                        Seems nowadays that, besides the love, the money is the other powerful force capable to change the human mind....and another things....
                        Sorry to know Mr. Baxter had to sell his car, at least, all the expertise aquired thru all these years upgrading it stand in his mind and soul, enough to motive him to write it down in a book intended to all the people like him, loves and enjoys these beautiful cars..the F Bodies.
                        Greetings
                        Doc
                        97 A4 Pontiac Firebird Trans am with $everal mod$

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                        • #13
                          I suspect he'll be back.... he's already talking about getting a super light weight 4th gen chassis, and loading it up with a nitroused big block. There's still hope

                          I think you cross the line in these cars when you put the roll bar in. Up to that point, its definitely a "street" car. But after that, it seems like you have taken an irreversible step. It was always my goal to have a dual-purpose car.... and that's what I built. 500hp NA on a mild cam that would allow the car to pass NJ rolling emissions, plus a small 125-shot for the street, and a 150HP second stage for the track. NJ took a lot of the fun out of that plan, with their "mobile DMV" inspection teams, that set up on the side of the road, pull cars off the street at random, and subject them to a full visual check AND a rolling emissions check on a portable dyno. Seemed like too much hassle.

                          I guess I could return it to the street.... the wiring for the radio and speakers is still there, you can live in NJ without A/C. But the roll bar seems all too obvious.
                          Fred

                          381ci all-forged stroker - 10.8:1 - CNC LT4 heads/intake - CC solid roller - MoTeC engine management - 8 LS1 coils - 58mm TB - 78# injectors - 300-shot dry nitrous - TH400 - Gear Vendor O/D - Strange 12-bolt - 4.11's - AS&M headers - duals - Corbeau seat - AutoMeter gauges - roll bar - Spohn suspension - QA1 shocks - a few other odds 'n ends. 800HP/800lb-ft at the flywheel, on a 300-shot. 11.5 @ 117MPH straight motor

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Injuneer
                            I think you cross the line in these cars when you put the roll bar in. Up to that point, its definitely a "street" car.
                            Agreed - I think this is where it's hard to explain the car to the cop who pulls you over for whatever. You're saying "If I roll the car in a race..." or " My car has so much torque that it can twist itself crooked..." or "I'm a race car on the street."

                            Originally posted by Injuneer
                            NJ took a lot of the fun out of that plan, with their "mobile DMV" inspection teams, that set up on the side of the road, pull cars off the street at random, and subject them to a full visual check AND a rolling emissions check on a portable dyno.
                            Good Grief!!!

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                            • #15
                              The 4L60E is going in this week,it will have a Coan 3200 stall and keep the 4.11 rear.
                              It will NEVER see a trailer and will make the 300+mile round trip to the track 15-20 times next season.
                              Still has radio,A/C,etc.etc.
                              It is a STREET car and always will be.
                              If it gets too fast for the street I will detune it and slow it down!!!!

                              Good luck to Mr.Baxter,it was fun following your journey!!!
                              94 Z28/UltraZ Hood & Box/1 1/2 Drop/52mmTB & Bypass/160 Stat/Pulley/ Catback & pipe/Kirkey seats/5 point belts/WW Wing/Ford9"-4.11- Detroit locker-Strange axles/ZEKE'S Heads & LT4 HC/Stainless Headers & Y/1LE Panhard/BMR SFCs-STB-Relo Brackets-Tunnel Brace-Adj Tq arm- Sway bar- LCAs-PHB/ABARE RACING 4L60E/COAN 3200/Monster tach & light/DS Loop

                              19/09/04[M6]=12.392@113.518 / 1.802 60ft.

                              10/04/05[A4]=12.29@111.9 /1.652 60ft.

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