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  • N*F*B: this aint cool........

    again... im still a bush backer... but this is not cool:

    (from one of my wolfdog community folks)

    Silenced by the President
    > By Trish Bowcock
    > Oct. 16, 2004
    >
    > A few weeks before my father died, he woke me in the wee hours of the
    > morning. He needed to talk. He was worried about Attorney General John
    > Ashcroft and the destruction of American civil liberties. I comforted
    > my father, believing he was delusional from medications. I was wrong.
    >
    > I write this from my home in Jacksonville Oregon (population 2,226).
    > President George W. Bush came here this week. The purpose of his visit
    > was political. Southern Oregon has been deemed a ìbattle groundî area
    > in the presidential race. John Kerry has made incredible inroads in
    > this traditionally Republican stronghold. President Bushís campaign
    > stop was an attempt to staunch the slide.
    >
    > Jacksonville is an old gold mining town. Our main street is only five
    > blocks long, lined with restored storefronts. The sidewalks are
    > narrow. We are a peaceful community. The prospect of an overnight
    > presidential visit was exciting, even to me, a lifelong Democrat. My
    > excitement turned to horror as I watched events unfold during
    > President Bushís visit. In the mid 1800s, when Indians invaded
    > Jacksonville,
    citizens
    > clambered upon the roof of the old library. It was the one building
    > that would not catch fire when flaming arrows were shot. This week it
    > was a different scene.
    >
    > Police armed with high powered rifles perched upon our rooftops as the
    > presidential motorcade approached. Helicopters flew low, overhead. A
    > cadre of motorcycle police zoomed into town. Black SUVs followed,
    > sandwiching several black limousines carrying the president, his wife
    > and their entourage as they sped to the local inn where they would eat
    > and sleep. The main street was lined with people gathered to witness
    > the
    event.
    > Many supported the president. Many did not. Some came because they
    > were simply curious. There were men, women, young and old. The mood
    > was
    somewhat
    > festive. Supporters of John Kerry sported signs, as did supporters of
    George
    > Bush. Individuals, exercising their rights of free speech began
    > chanting.
    On
    > one side of the street, shouts of "four more years" echoed in the
    > night
    air.
    > On the other side of the street, chants of "three more weeks"
    > responded. The chants were loud and apparently could be heard by
    > President Bush. An order was issued that the anti-Bush rhetoric be
    > quieted. The local SWAT
    team
    > leapt to action.
    >
    > It happened fast. Clad in full riot gear, at least 50 officers moved
    > in. Shouting indecipherable commands from a bullhorn, they formed a
    > chain and bore down upon the people, only working to clear the side of
    > the
    street
    > appearing to be occupied by Kerry supporters. People tried to get out
    > of their way. It was very crowded. There was nowhere to move. People
    > were
    being
    > crushed. They started flowing into the streets. Pleas to the officers,
    > asking, "where to go" fell upon deaf ears. Instead, riot police fired
    > pellets of cayenne pepper spray into the crowd. An old man fell and
    > couldn't get up. When a young man stopped to help, he was shot in the
    > back with hard pepper spray balls. Children were hit with pepper
    > spray. Deemed "Protesters" were shoved and herded down the street by
    > the menacing line
    of
    > armed riot police, until out of the President's ear-shot.
    >
    > There the "Protesters" were held at bay. Anyone vocalizing anti-Bush
    > or pro-Kerry sentiments were prohibited from venturing forward. Loud
    > anti-Bush chants were responded to by the commanding officer stating:
    > "FORWARD," to which the entire line of armed police would move,
    > lock-step, toward the "Protesters," forcing backward movement. Police
    > officers circulated filming the crowd of "Protesters." Some were
    > people like me, quiet middle-aged women. Some sported anti-Bush signs,
    > peace signs, or
    Kerry
    > signs. A small group of youth, clad in black with kerchiefs wrapping
    > their heads chanted slogans. A young woman in her underwear, sporting
    > a peace
    sign
    > sang a lyrical Kumbaya. Mixed among the "Protesters" were supporters
    > of
    the
    > President. One 19 year- old man shouted obscenities at anyone
    > expressing dissatisfaction with the president, encouraging the police
    > to "tazar" the "Stinking Protesters." Neither the "Protestors," nor
    > the police harassed this vocal young man. Across the street,
    > individuals shouting support for the president were allowed to
    > continue. Officers monitored this group but allowed them to shout
    > words of support or hurl derisions toward Kerry supporters,
    > undisturbed. Honking cars filled with Bush supporters were
    left
    > alone. A honking car full of Kerry supporters was stopped by police on
    > its way out of town.
    >
    > The standoff with "Protesters" continued until the President finished
    > his dinner and was secured in his hotel cottage for the night. Only
    > then were the riot police ordered to "mount-up," leaping upon the
    > sideboard of
    a
    > huge SUV, pulling out of town, and allowing "free speech" to resume.
    >
    > In small town America I witnessed true repression and intimidation
    > by
    law
    > enforcement. I saw small children suffering from the effects of being
    fired
    > upon by pepper bullets. I felt legitimate fear of expressing my
    > political
    > opinions: a brand new feeling. Newspaper accounts state the chaos started
    > when a violent "Protester" shoved a police officer. No one I talked to
    > witnessed this account.
    >
    > It is reputed that President Bush and his staff will not allow any
    > opposition activity to occur within his ear or eye sight. I can
    > confirm, that in tiny Jacksonville, Oregon, this was true. Physically
    > violent means were taken to protect the president from verbal insults.
    > Freedom of speech was stolen.
    >
    > My father was not paranoid as he lay dying. He was expressing great
    > Insight into the dangers of our current presidential administration
    > and
    its
    > willingness to repress personal freedoms. If I could talk to my father
    > today, I would say, "I am sorry Daddy for doubting you." And, no
    > matter what, I will continue to exercise my individual right to freely
    > express my opinions. Americans cannot take four more years.
    >
    > This is a link to a related article:
    > http://www.sierratimes.com/04/10/20/carlworden.htm
    >

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  • #2
    Every story has 2 sides. I'd be interested in hearing the other side.

    Was there some kind of a threat? Something we dont know? It sounds fishy.
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    • #3
      That sounds kinda hard to believe. If that really happened, I think it would somehow make it to the TV news stations. If it is true... It sounds like more of what you would expect in Iraq before Sadam was taken out of power.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by wolfman
        Newspaper accounts state the chaos started
        > when a violent "Protester" shoved a police officer. No one I talked to
        > witnessed this account.
        >

        Well, if no one she talked to witnessed the account, it must not have happened... since I am sure she talked to everyone that was in the crowd.
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        • #5
          I found a link with some more info, links and accounts: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/299964.shtml
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          • #6
            I.... don't know if that story is true or not. If it were true, I do believe that the Kerry media would be all over it, and he would be harping about it everywhere he went.


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            • #7
              ..ignorance is bliss . . .
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Craig 94 TA GT
                I found a link with some more info, links and accounts: http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/299964.shtml
                I have a VERY hard time believing an article like that where 1/3 (ok, it's an exaggeration, but come on!) of the words are misspelled. Not to mention, it says at the top of the page.."You report it, you read it" Sounds like it could have just been written by someone off the street, maybe even one of the angry protestors, that wrote it. Do you guys really think that an order like that would have been given by the president at this time of year? Let's see..."I'm in a TIGHT race for the presidency...3 weeks out from the election...let's stomp on some small town civil liberties!" Just doesn't add up for me. Like was said before...where is all of the TV coverage of it? Why are there not reporters swarming all over this like vultures on road kill? I think it is probably something much smaller that has been blown way out of proportion through rumor and poor reporting on the part of small twon newspapers.

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                • #9
                  here is the video look at it your self, looks real to me. same with all the photos
                  http://www.rogueimc.org/en/2004/10/3334.shtml

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TODD 2000 V6 CAMARO
                    I have a VERY hard time believing an article like that where 1/3 (ok, it's an exaggeration, but come on!) of the words are misspelled. Not to mention, it says at the top of the page.."You report it, you read it" Sounds like it could have just been written by someone off the street, maybe even one of the angry protestors, that wrote it. Do you guys really think that an order like that would have been given by the president at this time of year? Let's see..."I'm in a TIGHT race for the presidency...3 weeks out from the election...let's stomp on some small town civil liberties!" Just doesn't add up for me. Like was said before...where is all of the TV coverage of it? Why are there not reporters swarming all over this like vultures on road kill? I think it is probably something much smaller that has been blown way out of proportion through rumor and poor reporting on the part of small twon newspapers.
                    If you read below the comments below the article, you can see other sides of the story

                    i.e. "No mention whatsoever of crazy police pepperspraying citizens."
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                    • #11
                      When I accidently ran into Billy Bob Clinton in the Longworth House Office Building in ‘93, I didn’t tell him where to go, because I know the job of those surrounding him. Several times, on my morning run from the Lincoln memorial to the Capitol Mall, I was detained by the Pres’ motorcade. Since I hated the guy, I was a little agitated, but I kept my mouth shut. I can express my feelings in discussions or non-combative settings. Anyhow, they don’t mess around, and any kind of threat is responded to. I certainly don’t know the details or both sides of this story or whether it was fabricated. All I can say is this, “Do not threaten the president, regardless of who it is, unless you want the response to be force. Campaign or not...don’t do it. ...especially right now, with all of the threats both foreign and domestic, security around the Pres is virtually bullet proof. I guess the choice is this, or a pres. that can be easily assassinated.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by alenstein
                        ..ignorance is bliss . . .
                        Is that why you continue to ignore every post about the economic reality and consequences of John Kerry's promises?
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