Man, those viper boys are narrow minded

[Blevyou know]

I was pokin around the Viper club forum checkin out some of there rides and reading some threads. I never realized how ignorant these guys are. I've always heard the Viper owners seem to have a chip off their shoulders, just never really noticed. Point in case; I was reading some threads and someone was asking who designed the new corvette (tom peters) and one after the other starting bashing the C6, C5, and the C4. No respect for a solid muscle car. I can just imagine starting a thread about an f-body there. I'm sure their not all like that, but a lot of the threads I read are pretty bull headed. Makes me love this forum more than ever. I will without a doubt be a member for life in this open minded atmosphere.

go bush

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

I seem to find that as the price of the car increases, the real car knowledge the guys have decreases.

Snoop around a tech forum on an f-body site. Then snoop around tech forums on a Corvette site.

Take a look at ls1tech (the single greatest ls1 technical knowledge forum ever)... 99% are f-body owners.

[Nightrage]

They feel superior man. That's the one reason i'm glad my dad wrecked his Diaper. They're quick and they handle great, don't believe anything about them handling poorly as i've been proven wrong about that. At the same time, Viper owners see the attention they get and it inflates their heads a bit. My dad thought that he could go out getting really nice looking young girls in that car. He's 48. Never happen. Vipers are completely overrated. They have 488 cubic inch V-10's, of course they're going to be fast. I don't see why it comes as such a surprise to people that they're fast. Not to mention they cost around $82,000. My dad always told me about how he destroyed ZO6's. After my dad totalled his Viper (96 GTS), he was thinking about what to get next. I suggested a Vette and his response was- "No, they were my rivals when i had Butch (what he named his car)". It's like a lot of F-body owners with Mustangs. We don't like them and a lot of the time, we don't even know why we don't like them. Arrogance my friend. Ignore them. I got my car for $8,500 and i can run low 14's in my car. Probably high 13's with some weight reduction. My dad paid $60,000 for his car that runs low 12's. You can't even do much weight reduction on them. Every modification for Vipers costs and arm and a leg where they're realatively cheap for an F-body. $4,000 for a turbo charger, some nice gears and a good exhaust set up should (from what i've heard) have you running with Vipers. All the performance for a fraction of the cost and all without the unwanted attention.

[Blevyou know]

Totally agree with the both of you. I love the Viper, I just don't love the drivers, but most likely f-bod for life. Lookin for the 07'.

[94 formula]

I think this goes down the line though. Mustang guys are saying this about f-bodies. I've heard 3rd gen guys say it about 4th gen guys. I don't think that it matters with any car some guys are just A$$es. I do agree though that the more expensive the car the more you find.

[Nightrage]

Oh yeah, i forgot. Hope you can and enjoy driving stick because they only make Vipers in 6 speeds. I'd never want another auto car since i learned to drive manual but many people don't like shifting and some people just find auto's to be faster. A Vette or F-body, there's are auto's a plenty. Sure you can swap an auto tranny into a Viper but that's pretty expensive as the Viper needs a strong transmission. The greatest example i can produce to back what Jay 02 TA ws6 said is that my when my dad first bought the Viper, he raced this kid that worked with his mechanic. This kid had a 95 Z28 that was stock aside from a Borla cat-back and he beat my dad.

Reason- my dad thought that it was bad to take the car over 3,500 RPM's and the kid in the Z28 was redlining it. A Viper lost to a stock Lt1.... I have to admit- as much as i disliked the Viper, we smoked many a Porsche 911 Cerrara but probably for the same reason my dad lost his first real race. People with expensive cars usually don't know how or are too afraid to race their cars the right way.

(P.S.- My dad soon learned to take it up to the 5,000- 5,500 RPM range. We taught him well and he never lost a race again. All's well that end's well )

[Kevin - Blown 95 TA]

I think that when you drop $80 grand on a Viper or Porsche, you need to be in a mental state of mind that it's faster & better than a $50 grand Vette, and certainly faster & way better than a $25 grand F-Body. But the thing is that the guys that can afford those cars (new) are often successful business owners or executives who spent a lot of time at work and figuring out how to make money, as opposed to a gearhead who makes medium or low income, but has a real interest in the car and wants to know about mechanics & racing, and maybe does his own wrenching, welding & wiring. And a lot of guys that have a pile of cash just want to write a check and instantly be in 'the club', so to speak. As for young girls - if they're materialistic, they will be making goo-goo eyes at your car & maybe want to be seen in it, but that don't necessarily mean that you're going to get lucky!

[DWS'95Bird]

but that don't necessarily mean that you're going to get lucky!

how true , but my wife, The Warden, has something to do with that

[Squat13]

hey some one once told me that Vipers had a rather wild Firing order. He told me that the V-10 in the vipers accually firs two cylinders at once. I dont see how thats possible or how it makes more power.

[Performin Norman]

How funny. This type of thread is happening on 3 of the boards I post on. Yes, some of them are real idiots. They are more about being seen in the car and not about the car itself. I found this out first hand while I had my Viper. I don't hang around any of them any more. Some of them are ego maniacs. I raced a guy in his 03 SRT with my bone stock Z06 and beat him. He was so upset, he found his way to a local board, that I moderated, and started flaming me. He just couldn't handle that I out drove him.

Oh well, to each their own. I'll tell you first hand. My Z06 was 5 times the car that my Viper was.

[Gary94Formula]

Back to the question PN, how does the new vette compare to the Z06 now that you've got some miles on it...

[Performin Norman]

Back to the question PN, how does the new vette compare to the Z06 now that you've got some miles on it...

After logging about 1500 on the clock, I'll tell you this, I can't get the off of my face. I absolutely love this car. Everything about it is refined over my Z. Don't get me wrong, I think the Z was/is an awesome car, I just hoped the C6 would be refined and they didn't let me down. The car is quieter, smoother, more rigid. The creature comforts have stepped up a few notches. Every little detail was well thought out, even down to the radio that fades the volume out and back in as you change channels. The windows roll down a little when you open the door and roll back up when you close them to relieve the air pressure inside the car. The HUD has 3 setting now. Track one, track two and street.

Now, if you ask which car was faster. I'd tell you the Z. I had a cold air and bellows on it and it seems to scream at WOT. The C6 has much more grunt down low but not as much on the top end. This may change when I find a cold air intake and get more miles on the motor and it loosens up.

If you want to know any details, just ask. I'm always glad to share.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

I'm always glad to share.

How about sharing the keys?

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

Now, if you ask which car was faster. I'd tell you the Z. I had a cold air and bellows on it and it seems to scream at WOT. The C6 has much more grunt down low but not as much on the top end. This may change when I find a cold air intake and get more miles on the motor and it loosens up.

If you want to know any details, just ask. I'm always glad to share.

The general thought is that the stock LS2 tune really pulls some timing up top... but no one knows yet because no one has been able to tune the stock PCM yet. Also, the cam is the '01 LS6 cam... so the 02-04 C5 Z06 should be a little more top-end oriented.

[Kevin - Blown 95 TA]

Hey Norm, my firebird sounds like a tank compared to your new Vette! I'm glad you enjoy it and hope you know I wouldn't include you in the elitist group mentioned above!