RIP Tookie

[Y2KHAWK]

The way you talk about blondes! Shame on you! Consider what they've accomplished during the past year:

The Blonde Year In Review

January - Took her new scarf back to the store because it was too tight.

February - Ordered new drapes for her computer because it had windows.

March - Got excited when she finished a jigsaw puzzle in 6 months because the box said "2-4 years."

April - Was trapped on an escalator for hours when the power went out.

May - Couldn't make Kool-Aid because 8 cups of water wouldn't fit into the little packet.

June - Couldn't learn to water ski because she couldn't find a lake with a slope.

July - After losing in a breast stroke swimming competition, complained to the judges that the other swimmers were using their arms.

August - Told her blonde friend to hurry when trying to get into their locked car using a coat hanger because it was starting to rain and the top was down.

September - When asked what the capital of California was, answered "C".

October - Hates M&M's because they are so hard to peel.

November - Baked a turkey for 4 days because the instructions said 1 hour per pound and she weighed 120.

December - Couldn't call 9-11 because there was no "11" on any phone button.

Let's see you do any better!

Not you too!!!

[Need4Speed]

Well, you cant really use the whole 'he started the crips argument' against him, thats not what he's being tried for. When he was convicted of murder, the crips were nothing but a small street gang, I dont think he himself imagined how much it would blow up.

However, there are MANY holes in this case, which I believe shouldnt warrant the death penalty. He was tried unfairly and that has been documented by the court, the man wasnt tried by his peers ... There wasnt 1 black witness on the jury and 4 black people were thrown out of jury selection.

I mean, the judicial system is put in place to reform people... The man was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize 5 times... If he cant be granted clemency, then who should? I dont really believe in capital punishment and this whole 'eye for an eye' philosophy just makes the whole world blind. That's just satisfying our primal instinct for revenge and thats not what the judicial system should be about.

I do believe that Mr. Williams has done wrong in his life but as I mentioned, there are WAY too many wholes in this case to warrant the death penalty... If you go and look for yourself, you'll see.

[97 Zee]

If one of your loved ones were a victim would you feel diffrently? If your wife/girlfriend/son/daughter was murdered by this guy, would you then want an eye for an eye? I agree that the judicial system in this country is flawed and should be more of a search for the truth rather than a "I have a better lawyer so I will win" philosophy. I think there are WAY too many second chances handed out and thats why crime is out of control. There is no real justice there is only winning and loosing. The better lawyer you have the more of a chance you have to win. Anybody heard of a guy called OJ?? As you might have guessed I have zero tollerance for people who steal/ murder/rape..etc. Maybe there was holes in his defence but I still think this was a very bad man and needed to be held responsable for his actions. Once again, no respect for life or the law.

[Need4Speed]

If one of your loved ones were a victim would you feel diffrently? If your wife/girlfriend/son/daughter was murdered by this guy, would you then want an eye for an eye? I agree that the judicial system in this country is flawed and should be more of a search for the truth rather than a "I have a better lawyer so I will win" philosophy. I think there are WAY too many second chances handed out and thats why crime is out of control. There is no real justice there is only winning and loosing. The better lawyer you have the more of a chance you have to win. Anybody heard of a guy called OJ?? As you might have guessed I have zero tollerance for people who steal/ murder/rape..etc. Maybe there was holes in his defence but I still think this was a very bad man and needed to be held responsable for his actions. Once again, no respect for life or the law.

I kind of agree with you on that. But this is more of a 'practice what you preach' stance. Which is why I will hold the 'what if it was your so and so' argument invalid.

If it did happen to me, lord knows what I would be thinking... But we're not talking about me we're talking about the judicial system. You cant hold personal vendetta's in a court room. Now, if Tookie had done that too my family or whoever... and I went illegaly out of my way to kill him, how much better does that really make me? No one has the right to take a life and sure he might not be able to conform with society but he was doing alot better for humanity behind bars than in a pine box.

[97 Zee]

I dont believe in the personal vendetta thing, but I do believe in capital punushment. My whole problem isnt with Tookie specificly, its with everyone who has blatent disreguard for life and the law. Tookie was just another straw that broke the camels back senerio. I believe that law biding citizens like us are getting sick and tired of everyone feeling sorry or siding with the lawbreakers. Who's arguing for the victims? No one, and thats a shame. There lives were eather cut short or damaged beond repair and theres no news paper articles about them. Dont get me wrong , I have no problem with you or your arguement, I just feel for the victims, eather directly or indirectly, of violent crimes. While the argument about what to do with these so called "rehabilated" criminals goes on. I'm sorry, I just cant forget about what they did that put them in prison in the first place.

[Need4Speed]

I dont believe in the personal vendetta thing, but I do believe in capital punushment. My whole problem isnt with Tookie specificly, its with everyone who has blatent disreguard for life and the law. Tookie was just another straw that broke the camels back senerio. I believe that law biding citizens like us are getting sick and tired of everyone feeling sorry or siding with the lawbreakers. Who's arguing for the victims? No one, and thats a shame. There lives were eather cut short or damaged beond repair and theres no news paper articles about them. Dont get me wrong , I have no problem with you or your arguement, I just feel for the victims, eather directly or indirectly, of violent crimes. While the argument about what to do with these so called "rehabilated" criminals goes on. I'm sorry, I just cant forget about what they did that put them in prison in the first place.

I can completley side with you on that ... but the one question is, how can we properly accomidate the victims? Killing the perpetrator is just satisfying that cave man mentality of revenge. I dont feel 'humanity as a whole' benefits from that. What about the innocent family's that were killed in Viet Nam? How do we properly accomidate them? Or what about the ones today in Iraq? Do we just mark them off as a casualty of war? Because thats the type mentality alot of these murderers have coming from the surroundings they're in, I believe anways.

Side note:

Someone in this thread said that Tookie felt no remorse for what he did ... etc etc... Well, thats abit of an edited statement. What he said was "I dont feel remorse for the familys, because if I did, that would mean I was guilty. I am not guilty. However, I do sympathize with the family's."

[97 Zee]

I can completley side with you on that ... but the one question is, how can we properly accomidate the victims? Killing the perpetrator is just satisfying that cave man mentality of revenge. I dont feel 'humanity as a whole' benefits from that. What about the innocent family's that were killed in Viet Nam? How do we properly accomidate them? Or what about the ones today in Iraq? Do we just mark them off as a casualty of war? Because thats the type mentality alot of these murderers have coming from the surroundings they're in, I believe anways.

Side note:

Someone in this thread said that Tookie felt no remorse for what he did ... etc etc... Well, thats abit of an edited statement. What he said was "I dont feel remorse for the familys, because if I did, that would mean I was guilty. I am not guilty. However, I do sympathize with the family's."

I dont believe you can compair Viet Nam to some lawless criminal that takes a inocent life. I feel the life for a life punushment is just. I believe that the punushment should fit the crime. I dont believe that humanity as a hole benefits from that immediatly, But maybe, just maybe it sends out a loud enough message that us law biding, non violent citizens are fed up with all this violence. I think our justice system is way too soft on criminals that that dont hold a life, which is somthing we all only have one chance at, in the highest reguard that I do. I believe there are just some crimes that should not be forgiven.

[Need4Speed]

I dont believe you can compair Viet Nam to some lawless criminal that takes a inocent life. I feel the life for a life punushment is just. I believe that the punushment should fit the crime. I dont believe that humanity as a hole benefits from that immediatly, But maybe, just maybe it sends out a loud enough message that us law biding, non violent citizens are fed up with all this violence. I think our justice system is way too soft on criminals that that dont hold a life, which is somthing we all only have one chance at, in the highest reguard that I do. I believe there are just some crimes that should not be forgiven.

Yea, that reference may have been abit large.

I do feel the justice system is too soft in general, but the way the justice system is setup is like a revolving door. Sometimes we have to look @ what exactly is causing this type of behaviour, I mean... I dont believe in capital punishment, which in essence is 'kill and be killed'. What kind of message exactly are you trying to send? I dont think its right to play God ... The justice system is supposed to reform people to cooperate in a modern society .. But if you send a guy to jail for armed robbery, a guy who has lived in poverty his whole life, when he gets out ... he has no where to go, not many places will hire him and that places that will hire him are waaay under the cost of living, what does that leave for him? Pretty much another ticket back into jail.

So, there is always all these complaints about over populated jails and some criminals not being punished enough, then maybe its time to look @ a different route. Look at all the industrialized country's murder rates compared to US? It's pretty shocking.

2 of my friends were nearly killed in an armed robbery, they were jumped by 5 people... 1 friend caught a punctured lung, the other friend was stabbed 4 times and beat over the head with a police issue extendo bar. The most one guy got was 2 years, how's that for justice?

It's not so much as to why these people cant conform to society, its more as why dont they conform to society. I see alot of copouts in refference to video games, music, etc... Thats all crap, I've listened to hiphop since I was 10 years old... I'm 21 now, I've never committed a crime. I play video games, I watch the latest action movies... So, why dont I committ these henious acts? I believe its poverty, thats a big factor in my belief as to why people do what they do. Not everyone likes to live day to day wondering how they're going to get their next meal.

So in turn, how do we fix this?

Company's like Accenture sure as hell arent helping.

[Kevin - Blown 95 TA]

Heck, buy me a soda and I'd pull the switch on Tookie myself and sleep all the better knowing the world is a better place without him. The people that are ing a river over Tookie are of the same ilk as the ones that thought it was fashionable to wave a flag after 911, then forgot all about it a year later when the going got tough. They want the world to be a better kinder place, but they aren't willing to do any of the dirtywork to make it happen. Well sometimes, you just have to take out the garbage or it starts to stink up the place.