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  • #76
    I gave myself some time to let it settle in. For the poll I voted, Its OK.

    First, I am not a fan of the retro thing lately, and prefer modern packaging for modern performance (ie 3rd to 4th gen F-body transisiton, and modern vettes). With that in mind, I do feel this is one of the best looking retro designs out there and they probably could not have done better IMO unless it was not retro.

    Second, I was in love with the interior until I saw the stright on view. It is just too overwhelming, but like others said it will probably change. I was also very much liking the low, center console guages from way back (hope that part stays).

    Third, I predict that GM will blow it (but I hope not). Time from concept to production will be too long. The top performance version will cost too much. And it will end up as a collectors car for f-body fans, and not an affordable street brawler with the best price/performance ratio. In other words, I don't see them stealing much market share from the Mustang, import, or other popular enthusiast crowds. Think about it, do you really think any 400+hp car is going to come in at a lower cost than a current GTO? I'd rather just step up to vette. Not to mention that 400hp by 2009 may not be that impressive. There are a lot of vehichles at that level now, and we would certainly prefer that our cherished f-body be at least a tick fast than its direct $$$ competitors. Do we even need to talk about the marketing foolishness were in for? Remember the Vette commercial that got pulled during the Olympics? Awesome commercial, pulled by pressure from responsibility weenies.

    Fourth, and I really wanted to start a new poll about this one (I might):
    If the car you see could be had for $22,000 fully loaded, but had to be built in China to meet that price, would you buy one??

    BTW, is there any info about where they might actually be made?
    1994 Z28, 6 spd, LE2 Heads, GM 1.6 RR, .026" head gasket, SLP: CAI-Headers (CARB legal)-ypipe-2 on the left-lightweight flywheel-short throw, Random tech cat, CF dual friction, LT-4 KM.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by 78formula78
      hey guys just kinda thinking out loud hear... you think if this sells well(like im postive it will) then just mabey we'll see a firebird concept too...?
      i think the gto is going to take the place of the firebird, for now anyway... its comming off the same platform as the camaro...if the camaro gets built before toyota buys gm.............

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      • #78
        Here is the tentative concept unveiling schedule if anyone is interested. I'll be going to the Dallas Auto Show. I want to see this 5th Gen in person:


        Chicago - public show: Feb. 10-19
        http://www.chicagoautoshow.com/

        Cleveland - public show: Feb. 25- Mar. 5
        http://www.clevelandautoshow.com/

        New York - public show: April 14-23
        http://www.autoshowny.com/dates/

        Atlanta - public show: April 29-May 7
        http://ajcautoshow.com/www2/

        Atlanta (Fbodygathering) -
        http://www.fbodygathering.com/

        Dallas - April 5-9
        http://www.dallasautoshow.org/

        Toronto - Feb. 17-26
        http://www.autoshow.ca/2006/default.asp

        Fbody Gathering at National Corvette Museum - Sept. 14-16
        http://www.corvettemuseum.com/regis...body/info.shtml

        Camaros at Carlisle / All-GM Nationals
        http://www.carsatcarlisle.com/default.asp

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        • #79
          Originally posted by fastTA
          Here is the tentative concept unveiling schedule if anyone is interested. I'll be going to the Dallas Auto Show. I want to see this 5th Gen in person:

          Post a reminder about this in April, man, and I will meet you there. I will be back in Garland, Tx by then and I would love to see the new Camaro and meet an F-Bud that I haven't met before.

          2000 Black Camaro w/3800 V6. Hotchkis STB, Whisper Lid, K&N, Flowmaster exhaust.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by TODD 2000 V6 CAMARO
            Post a reminder about this in April, man, and I will meet you there. I will be back in Garland, Tx by then and I would love to see the new Camaro and meet an F-Bud that I haven't met before.
            You got it.

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            • #81
              hmmm, might have to go see it at Carlisle.
              Dave M
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              • #82
                Interesting Photoshop, posted on firebirdnation.com:

                Fred

                381ci all-forged stroker - 10.8:1 - CNC LT4 heads/intake - CC solid roller - MoTeC engine management - 8 LS1 coils - 58mm TB - 78# injectors - 300-shot dry nitrous - TH400 - Gear Vendor O/D - Strange 12-bolt - 4.11's - AS&M headers - duals - Corbeau seat - AutoMeter gauges - roll bar - Spohn suspension - QA1 shocks - a few other odds 'n ends. 800HP/800lb-ft at the flywheel, on a 300-shot. 11.5 @ 117MPH straight motor

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                • #83
                  Another..... Firebirds always look better.....

                  Fred

                  381ci all-forged stroker - 10.8:1 - CNC LT4 heads/intake - CC solid roller - MoTeC engine management - 8 LS1 coils - 58mm TB - 78# injectors - 300-shot dry nitrous - TH400 - Gear Vendor O/D - Strange 12-bolt - 4.11's - AS&M headers - duals - Corbeau seat - AutoMeter gauges - roll bar - Spohn suspension - QA1 shocks - a few other odds 'n ends. 800HP/800lb-ft at the flywheel, on a 300-shot. 11.5 @ 117MPH straight motor

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Injuneer
                    Interesting Photoshop, posted on firebirdnation.com:

                    That TA does look better. I like the wing, and the side ducts in the fenders but I just am still having a hard time getting used to the front end and the lack of a visible b-pillar.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Injuneer
                      Another..... Firebirds always look better.....

                      Now that one almost makes me change my mind....almost.

                      I still eagerly anticipate seeing it in person.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by fastTA
                        That TA does look better. I like the wing, and the side ducts in the fenders but I just am still having a hard time getting used to the front end and the lack of a visible b-pillar.
                        Remember, the 1st Gens didn't really have a visible B-pillar either...and they were the only gen. so far to have 4 windows.
                        Steve
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                        • #87
                          i can only dream about another firebird... but didn't GM say that the GTO would basicly be pontiacs firebird?
                          1990 Eagle talon TSI- daily driver

                          78' firebird formula -350/350- stock...now dead

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                          • #88
                            I've seen the Camaro concept in person. I was one who answered "I love it, GM hit the nail on the head" in this poll... it was very, very dissapointing to me in person.

                            The Challenger is 100 times better looking, in my opinion. The Camaro looks even more "spaceshippy" and concept-like in person... I think the giant wheels are part of it - they look stupid. The Challenger looks like a real car that could actually be produced as-is, and it is absolutely 100% STUNNING in preson.
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                            • #89
                              I'm liking the Challenger more and more. SEMA is saying that there is supposed to also be an optional 6.4L 505 hp Hemi!

                              I'm not a real big fan of these DOD (Displacement On Demand) in muscle cars, but they do have their place in all other daily drivers. That being said, I actually like Mopar's MDS (Multiple Displacement System) better than GM's AFM (Active Fuel Management) technology.

                              The MDS cleverly controls the valves as well as cutting fuel to 4 cylinders as to eliminate more of the pumping loss associated with the AFM's ability to only cut fuel. GM claims a 12% better fuel economy and emissions while running on 4 cylinders, while DC claims 20%.

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                              • #90
                                Concept Construction

                                Pictures of the LAIAS Concept production.

                                White Interior looks good!







                                Looks like they may want to increase the trunk opening in a production version. Lower lift over as well.


                                About the same size as the original! You can better see that this is a good blend of heritage cues and progressive styling. Now do this with the Challenger and it may look more like a copy of the origina!
                                Joe K.
                                '11 BMW 328i
                                '10 Matrix S AWD
                                Previously: '89 Plymouth Sundance Turbo, '98 Camaro V6, '96 Camaro Z28, '99 Camaro Z28, '04 Grand Prix GTP

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