We also have to remember that concept cars are not built with 100% federal safety regulations in mind. Most of the changes on a concept vehicle are simply out of pure necessity rather than by choice.
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Did anyone else notice that it says Iroc-Z on the door?Originally posted by bru333
I'd forgotten all about this 'thing'...selective memory I guess.
I agree that we'll see changes "if" it goes into production, and that this will give them a better idea of what people really want in a new camaro.Red 95 Trans Am: M6, Moroso CAI, Magnaflow, Spohn sway bars, back to life as of 2/15/10!!!
SOLD- Kinda miss it
94 Del Sol VTEC: 27 city/ 33 highway, knee deep in slowness
SOLD- Good riddance!
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Hello everybody:
I would like something more aero in the way the last generation was.
I would like something more revolutionary in the way the second generation was.
I would like something like an inexpensive Corvette with some space for a two plus two and a strong rear axle to make all the power through.
I ask what was wrong with the fourth generatio scheme?
Why should all of us have a crash program solution from 1967 if the second generation was a much improved car?
I still love my ´71 and my ´971997 z28 ex Pony Express racer ( amateur rally and track day car now ) w/ 383 LT1, V1-T s/c, Victor Jr. heads, Engle custom cam, Accel DFI, Alcon 14" / Baer 13" brakes, Strange rr. axle. Full roll cage, seats and belts.
´71 Camaro L-48 ex-vintage track day racer clone, ´71 AMC Javelin, ´69 Plymouth Barracuda 340 clone, ´70 Barracuda project car, ´69 Shelby Mustang GT350 project car, ´94 Mustang GT s/c track day car.
Self portrait: Nowadays more a collector than a racer . Still crazy for those Trans-Am races.
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98% of the "camaro buying public" dont drag race, they are going to thrust the market towards the sell...not drive the cost of the car up with beefed up components to withstand drag racing, which voids the warranty anyway....Originally posted by LORDVADERHello everybody:
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I ask what was wrong with the fourth generatio scheme?
I still love my ´71 and my ´97
the last design would not pass the new nhtsa windshield crash integrity test which went into effect for the 2003 model year, (that was kept quiet)..that coupled with low sales, is what made the camaro and firebird take a hike..
the new designs schemes are no longer "sleek", except for the corvette..if you check Daimler Chryslers models, you see what I mean, and they are selling, its back to the old "boxy muscle car look"....to an extent...with modern lines......
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see gm is missing a downside also if they are aiming for the "younger" buyers,i am one and a disapointed one!, but they also have to realize one of the main reasons that they were not selling to the younger buyers with the fourth gen is the insurance rates its nearly impossible for kids to pull that off thats why most of them go to imports i guess the high dollar signs of insurance clouds up there thinking of a "real" car to a affordable car, and theres not that much gm can do about it there aiming to the wrong market in my opinion if they realy want that thing to sell they have to open it up more to the people who can afford it and not try to make kids just "want" what they cant afford. even with my car the insurance on it would kill me if it was on my name and its now 6 yrs old, according to them i odnt exist and its my moms car thats the only way i can own that car2000 Trans Am 6spd LS1
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i hear that! i had outrageous costs on my insurance and it's liability only on an 82 t/a, and it was more than my sister's fully covered 97 sunfire!!! she has a speeding violation, i have nothing!!Originally posted by Fb0dY HoTTiE LS1see gm is missing a downside also if they are aiming for the "younger" buyers,i am one and a disapointed one!, but they also have to realize one of the main reasons that they were not selling to the younger buyers with the fourth gen is the insurance rates its nearly impossible for kids to pull that off thats why most of them go to imports i guess the high dollar signs of insurance clouds up there thinking of a "real" car to a affordable car, and theres not that much gm can do about it there aiming to the wrong market in my opinion if they realy want that thing to sell they have to open it up more to the people who can afford it and not try to make kids just "want" what they cant afford. even with my car the insurance on it would kill me if it was on my name and its now 6 yrs old, according to them i odnt exist and its my moms car thats the only way i can own that car
i say we young ones (college and high schoolers) should revolt!
...or maybe that's too drastic???1982 Trans am w/ t-tops
V8 5.0L 305 H out of an '86 Caprice
previous owners abused it!!!

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That's one LONG sentence! Makes a good point tho.Originally posted by Fb0dY HoTTiE LS1see gm is missing a downside also if they are aiming for the "younger" buyers,i am one and a disapointed one!, but they also have to realize one of the main reasons that they were not selling to the younger buyers with the fourth gen is the insurance rates its nearly impossible for kids to pull that off thats why most of them go to imports i guess the high dollar signs of insurance clouds up there thinking of a "real" car to a affordable car, and theres not that much gm can do about it there aiming to the wrong market in my opinion if they realy want that thing to sell they have to open it up more to the people who can afford it and not try to make kids just "want" what they cant afford. even with my car the insurance on it would kill me if it was on my name and its now 6 yrs old, according to them i odnt exist and its my moms car thats the only way i can own that car
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Revolt.....or stop driving like yahoos and crashing into people!!! Well not all of us do the crashing part but many do! I have to do the same thing to get insurance on my cars. Legally though, I have to insure something. So I have liability only on my Omni.Originally posted by Maverick_82i hear that! i had outrageous costs on my insurance and it's liability only on an 82 t/a, and it was more than my sister's fully covered 97 sunfire!!! she has a speeding violation, i have nothing!!
i say we young ones (college and high schoolers) should revolt!
...or maybe that's too drastic???
The real kicker is that full coverage on my Caprice or Firebird(under my mom's name) is LESS than liability on My Omni!!!
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!?! i'm the most capable driver's i know! I'm in my second year of college working on my LAW ENFORCEMENT bachelors. i am the epitomy of "law-abiding" citizen, lol. I also have a "good student discount", and my rates r still too high!Originally posted by carguy100200Revolt.....or stop driving like yahoos and crashing into people!!! Well not all of us do the crashing part but many do! I have to do the same thing to get insurance on my cars. Legally though, I have to insure something. So I have liability only on my Omni.
The real kicker is that full coverage on my Caprice or Firebird(under my mom's name) is LESS than liability on My Omni!!! 
...maybe the insurance companies r run by the same people as the gas companies...using any excuse, REASONABLE OR NOT, to raise their rates!
IT'S A CONSPIRACY I TELL YOU!!!
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1982 Trans am w/ t-tops
V8 5.0L 305 H out of an '86 Caprice
previous owners abused it!!!

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I have no Idea what you guys pay for insurance but mine is $374.00 C a year.
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Maybe you guys need to try switching insurance companies. I've got the Z and my Jeep covered for @ $160/mo., full on the Z with a 500 deduc. and liability on the Jeep. Do a little shopping around.Steve
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wut gets to me is the reason for a guys insurance to be more than a girls! "because boys are more of a risk!!!" if i discriminated against someone due to their gender i would be brought up on charges! y arent they? BECUASE OF MAINLY, TECHNICALITIES! u cant accuse someone of sexism if they hire both men and women employees, can u!?!
i absolutely love the statistics that they use to back their claim too! Statistics twisted and edited to make women obviously the bettert of the two. DONT GET ME WRONG! i beleive women to be great driver's! but i was once shown the stats to show that men were more of a liability, THEY WERE FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, AND THE #'S WERE OF MEN OF ALL AGES AND WOMEN OF A SELECT AGE GROUP!!! if you showed that info in a law suit, u would be laughed from the courtroom!!
*steps off of soapbox*1982 Trans am w/ t-tops
V8 5.0L 305 H out of an '86 Caprice
previous owners abused it!!!

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The small glimpse of a rearend in the pic looks like an Eagle TalonOriginally posted by bru333
I'd forgotten all about this 'thing'...selective memory I guess.
I agree that we'll see changes "if" it goes into production, and that this will give them a better idea of what people really want in a new camaro.2006 Saturn Ion Redline
2003 Mits. Eclipse Spyder
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