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  • #16
    Originally posted by Roger in Kensington
    I know that gloom and doom always entices (from The Population Bomb by Paul Ehrlich, to Famine, 1975! by William and Paul Paddock, to various end-of-world scenarios promulgated by an assortment of religions . . . BUT . . . the sky is not falling, Zebragirl.

    While I am very much in favor of conservation and energy efficiency, let me offer a few facts.

    Let's neglect for the moment the many billions of barrels of oil available domestically in Alaska, off our coasts (did you see recently that Mexico has found a huge oil deposit of its Caribbean coast?), plus what we are already producing domestically . . . all of which is available through conventional drilling and recovery.

    Let's also neglect the (modestly) impressive amount of oil available from Alberta tar sands.

    Did you know that the Department of Energy estimates that there is potentially over two trillion barrels of oil available right here in the good ol' USA in our own oil shale and tar sands deposits.

    That simply dwarfs the proven reserves of the Middle East.

    In terms of energy potential, though, that's nothing compared to what is available from methan hydrates. (Methane whatdrates, Roger?)

    Take a look at this article from the Department of Energy. Let me quote it:

    "Worldwide, estimates of the natural gas potential of methane hydrate approach 400 million trillion cubic feet -- a staggering figure compared to the 5,500 trillion cubic feet that make up the world's currently proven gas reserves."

    If you're keeping score, that's 72 thousand times current reserves, a virtually inexhaustible supply.

    It is there for the taking.

    Ethanol as a solution? Not likely unless someone develops a process to produce it efficiently without large inputs of fossil fuels. Otherwise, all you're going to do is drive up the price of beef and bourbon.

    How about hydrogen? As an automotive fuel, forget it. Suggest you read The Hype About Hydrogen, by Joseph Romm. He's a global-warming hysteric (IMHO), but he makes excellent points about the pros and cons of hydrogen as an energy source. Furthermore, he provides a really good explanation of fuel-cell technology.

    Do you feel any better, Zebragirl?

    Take it from one of the "old guys" on this board: I've been subjected to far too many "sky-is-falling" predictions in my life -- of which have yet to materialize -- to be much concerned about us running out of oil. The ONLY way I see that happening is if moonbat tree-huggers keep us from exploiting the enormous energy supplies available to us.

    As for $0.99-a-gallon gasoline, those days are gone for good.

    bird flu. thats some serious chit roger..........mark my words.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by wolfman
      bird flu. thats some serious chit roger..........mark my words.
      Been around since the 1950s.

      Might be serious. Like swine flu was in 1976. Remember?

      But I'm not losing any sleep over it.

      And what has bird flu got to do with oil availability?

      Stick to the subject. Or start a new thread.
      R.i.K.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Roger in Kensington
        Been around since the 1950s.

        Might be serious. Like swine flu was in 1976. Remember?

        But I'm not losing any sleep over it.

        And what has bird flu got to do with oil availability?

        Stick to the subject. Or start a new thread.

        testing is being done to extract ethyenol from dead birds killed by the flu.......













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        bite me.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DeWynter
          The Oil Sands in Alberta are estimated (conservitivly) to last 300 Years. Its the Second largest find in the History of the world. The oil finds in the middle east are the largest. Alberta has the second and third largest finds on record. I don't think we are going to run out anytime soon. The biggest problem with the Oil sands is its hard to produce. That being said I think we still should find alternative fuels.
          Wanna hear something cool? My father-in-law invested in some of the company that is working on extracting that oil when he first heard about it. I don 't know how many shares he has, but he has a bunch. He was watching it for a few days in January before I moved back down here to Texas and I think in the week before I moved, it jumped like $10/share or something like that. He said that when it gets to a certain point, he will sell, but my wife estimates that he has a couple hundred grand from it already. I was like.....why the heck didn't he tell us about it back when it was still below $10/share??? We had some money we could have invested in it, but I think, knowing my father in law, my wife and I will be seeing a chunk of the money whenever he does sell. The guy is extremely generous, especially with family.

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          • #20
            I came up with an idea for a fully electric car that never needs plugged in and has no alternative means of propulsion (i.e. not hybrid, hydrogen, etc).... fully electric. But getting a patent is cost prohibitive for me and it's one of those ideas that seem so simple that you'd think it would had to have been tried or thought of before. It'd at least be nice to know if there is already a patent on a similar system. It's one of those things that could change the world if it worked.

            I could build a rudimentary prototype, but it would take engineers and scientists to work out the bugs. I'd like to look into patenting the idea though, but patents (and patent lawyers) are expensive!!
            Dave M
            Life, liberty, and the pursuit of all who threaten it!


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            • #21
              Originally posted by Dave M
              I think you'll find most of the guys here will disagree with you on how soon we will run out of oil. But I think no matter when it might happen, the truth is that oil is a finite resource. There may be a lot of it or a little of it left, but eventually it will run out. Fuel made from plants or hydrogen or other renewable resources should be a much hotter topic in this country and among our politicians.
              i for one do agree with her. but the problem isnt finding and making an alternative fuel source. no one will pay outrageous sums of money for the new vehicles. and it will be outrageous!!! and unless they sell a hydrogen motor that will go in todays cars...such as an 82 trans am. no one will be happy!!!

              here's a segment of a report i was writing. "In the 2003 State of the Union Address, George Bush announced Hydrogen Fuel Initiative that would provide a $1.2 billion dollar budget to private sector’s developing of hydrogen fuel cells up to 2008, but that’s not enough. From 2004-06 the budget for one program alone comes to an estimated 4.7 million. In 2003, the US defense budget was $417.4 billion this was 46% of the world’s total.
              The US spends more on their armed forces then military dictatorships!" and this is true!
              1982 Trans am w/ t-tops
              V8 5.0L 305 H out of an '86 Caprice
              previous owners abused it!!!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Dave M
                I came up with an idea for a fully electric car that never needs plugged in and has no alternative means of propulsion (i.e. not hybrid, hydrogen, etc).... fully electric. But getting a patent is cost prohibitive for me and it's one of those ideas that seem so simple that you'd think it would had to have been tried or thought of before. It'd at least be nice to know if there is already a patent on a similar system. It's one of those things that could change the world if it worked.

                I could build a rudimentary prototype, but it would take engineers and scientists to work out the bugs. I'd like to look into patenting the idea though, but patents (and patent lawyers) are expensive!!
                Why not just build and patent a perpetual motion machine and be done with it?
                R.i.K.

                '98 WS6 TA (white, of course!), Hurst Billet/Plus shifter, BBK intake manifold, McGard “blue-ring” lug nuts (12x1.5), PowerSlot brake rotors, Hawk brake pads, Stainless steel braided brake lines, Pontiac arrow, Hotchkis strut tower brace, MBA MAF ends, Reflective Concepts lettering, MTI carbon-fiber look airbox lid . . . and one greying, somewhat eccentric owner.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Roger in Kensington
                  Why not just build and patent a perpetual motion machine and be done with it?
                  Do I sense sarcasm in your post?
                  Dave M
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Dave M
                    Do I sense sarcasm in your post?
                    From me??!!?? Oh, Heaven forfend!
                    R.i.K.

                    '98 WS6 TA (white, of course!), Hurst Billet/Plus shifter, BBK intake manifold, McGard “blue-ring” lug nuts (12x1.5), PowerSlot brake rotors, Hawk brake pads, Stainless steel braided brake lines, Pontiac arrow, Hotchkis strut tower brace, MBA MAF ends, Reflective Concepts lettering, MTI carbon-fiber look airbox lid . . . and one greying, somewhat eccentric owner.

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                    • #25
                      I don't know if this is for real, but it's worth mentioning I guess:

                      Strange Phenomenon


                      To be added soon-Firebird Graphic

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                      • #26
                        actually i thought this up one day... one problem with the hydrogen powered cars is making hydrogen sources more available. the anwser! SUGAR! lol. this is wut our bodies do! take sugar and turn it into energy. nearly every sugar group contains CH3O; taking all of the hydrogen out of a solution of sugar and run it through hydrogen powered vehicles. this will leave CO which would be absorbed by plant life. all we would have to do to get rid of the CO is to actually make hydrogen refining stations in a greenhouse enviroment. if sugar cane was planted in these greenhouses, CO produced would in some ways accually help in the growth of the sugar cane that would turn it into O and later it would become fuel but it must surely be replaced; hence the problem, humans rarely replaced wut they take out of nature. lol. and no im not earning a degree in agrilculture. actually its in law enforcement. lol.

                        you have to almost laugh at the irony. plants take take in CO2 or CO and H2O and produce sugar. this fuel refining would take sugar and give off CO while a hydrogen powder engine would release only water, the water and the CO (along with sunlight) would go back into the plants to produce sugar again. lol.

                        this is wut happens when humans works WITH nature instead of conquering it. lol
                        1982 Trans am w/ t-tops
                        V8 5.0L 305 H out of an '86 Caprice
                        previous owners abused it!!!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Roger in Kensington
                          Why not just build and patent a perpetual motion machine and be done with it?
                          I have a plan for a motor that runs endlessly with no energy input. My dad made a prototype when I was a kid and never followed through with it. It will require a little engineering, but I'm sure it would work. As mentioned above, it is so simple i'm amazed nobody has thought of it yet.

                          A motor like this could easily recharge batteries in an electric car overnight.
                          Tracy
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by TraceZ
                            I have a plan for a motor that runs endlessly with no energy input. My dad made a prototype when I was a kid and never followed through with it. It will require a little engineering, but I'm sure it would work. As mentioned above, it is so simple i'm amazed nobody has thought of it yet.

                            A motor like this could easily recharge batteries in an electric car overnight.

                            i made something similar for a 5th grade science fair, using magnetic fields.
                            1982 Trans am w/ t-tops
                            V8 5.0L 305 H out of an '86 Caprice
                            previous owners abused it!!!

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