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    I never thought Barack Obama would come this far. I didn't even think he would make it past Hillary. Now he's the projected winner by quite a bit of electoral votes. This is great news guys! Our country is hurting badly, and Obama is the man for the job. Kudos to him for avoiding attacks againts McCain during his infomercial today. Change is coming!

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  • #2
    Wooo!

    I'll go get the burn cream. haha

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    • #3
      Dude, if you're drunk by 9:49pm, they have groups that can help you with that.
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      • #4
        guess u dont like ur 401K


        thats my $.02 as ill admit it, if it wasnt for my father, i wouldnt vote this time
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Trash man
          guess u dont like ur 401K


          thats my $.02 as ill admit it, if it wasnt for my father, i wouldnt vote this time
          What does that even mean? Are you just repeating bits and pieces of things you've heard from your neighborhood Joe the Plumber?
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          • #6
            Bush did so much damage it dosnt really matter who takes over. We will be hurting for years, at this point I'm just glad I didnt have anything to do with that p.o.s getting in office.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by raroZ28
              What does that even mean? Are you just repeating bits and pieces of things you've heard from your neighborhood Joe the Plumber?
              No. I guess you don't remember the past. The Clinton administration toyed around with a "one time" tax of 15% on your IRA/401k accounts. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid has talked openly about doing this if the big BO gets elected. How many times are they going to do this "one time" tax? twice? Three times? Every year? Once they do it once and see how much money they can get to give to poor people to get their votes they will keep on.

              http://www.investmentnews.com/apps/p.../REG/810079894
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              • #8
                Originally posted by gimp19
                Bush did so much damage it dosnt really matter who takes over. We will be hurting for years, at this point I'm just glad I didnt have anything to do with that p.o.s getting in office.
                OK here is another false hood. You can say all you want about Bush but the reality is the legislative branch of the government has more to do with the day to day operation of the government than the executive branch ie Bush. All bills start in either the senate or the house. The details are defined in the legislative branch. The executive branch is just a check and balance to the legislative branch. People blame Bush for spending when it was passed by the democratically controlled house and senate. It’s all of their fault and people are completely ignoring the contributions by the democrats to all of it. Worse the people are going to put MORE of them up there. Don’t get me wrong the republicans deserve a lot of blame but if Obama gets elected with a democratically controlled legislative branch you are going to see this country change more in the next 4 years than it ever has including the 1930s. Change is coming and you are NOT going to like it.

                And before you say anything about The Wall Street Journal being conservative let me remind you that they officially back Obama.
                http://sec.online.wsj.com/article/SB...889842989.html
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                • #9
                  What will America look like after Obama is elected. (Notice I said after because I fully believe he will win.)
                  http://townhall.com/columnists/Micha...amas_wish_list

                  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1224...s_opinion_main

                  Still adding links,
                  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...502011_pf.html
                  Did you know the UN is trying to get the US to pass a tax on the US people to fund the UN? That will happen under Obama too.

                  This one you have to read.
                  http://www.cnsnews.com/public/conten...x?RsrcID=38231
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jeff_in_Atl
                    OK here is another false hood. You can say all you want about Bush but the reality is the legislative branch of the government has more to do with the day to day operation of the government than the executive branch ie Bush. All bills start in either the senate or the house. The details are defined in the legislative branch. The executive branch is just a check and balance to the legislative branch. People blame Bush for spending when it was passed by the democratically controlled house and senate. It’s all of their fault and people are completely ignoring the contributions by the democrats to all of it. Worse the people are going to put MORE of them up there. Don’t get me wrong the republicans deserve a lot of blame but if Obama gets elected with a democratically controlled legislative branch you are going to see this country change more in the next 4 years than it ever has including the 1930s. Change is coming and you are NOT going to like it.

                    And before you say anything about The Wall Street Journal being conservative let me remind you that they officially back Obama.
                    http://sec.online.wsj.com/article/SB...889842989.html
                    While I agree that Congress in its entirety shoulders most of the blame, you can't ignore the fact that Bush passed (or allowed to pass) every bit of spending you hear about. If he'd stood up to Congress and rejected bills laden with pork and whatnot until he got something that was actually responsible, his approval rating might not be quite so dismal.

                    Frankly, I don't care much for either major candidate. I might even vote 3rd party this time. I REALLY wish Ron Paul would have gotten the Republican nomination - then we might have someone in office who actually KNOWS something.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 99Firebird3800
                      While I agree that Congress in its entirety shoulders most of the blame, you can't ignore the fact that Bush passed (or allowed to pass) every bit of spending you hear about. If he'd stood up to Congress and rejected bills laden with pork and whatnot until he got something that was actually responsible, his approval rating might not be quite so dismal.
                      I agree that I am not happy about spending by the republicans but you talk about Bush approval ratings, keep in mind the congress has a LOWER approval rating than Bush and for some reason that I am too stupid to understand the people are flocking to vote for MORE of the people with the LOWER rating.

                      Originally posted by 99Firebird3800
                      Frankly, I don't care much for either major candidate. I might even vote 3rd party this time. I REALLY wish Ron Paul would have gotten the Republican nomination - then we might have someone in office who actually KNOWS something.
                      I don't either but as someone on here already pointed out voting has become voting for the lesser of the evils. And for the record my opinion of Ron Paul is he is a loon.
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                      • #12
                        I like how the senate couldn't pass the "emergency" bailout, not until $200 BILLION worth of pork member items was added to it- the elected officials won't do anything for the people of this country unless there is big dollars in it for themselves-

                        While you're blaming Bush, why don't you blame his for 9-11? Bet he organized that, too. Or Katrina- probably a CIA secret, controlling the weather. The banking crisis, that started under the Clinton administration, and that Bush tried to get changed in '03? Nah, that's his fault, too. While I don't think he was a great president, one guy couldn't have more stuff go wrong on his shift- he's unlucky, but I don't think he is 1/10th as evil as the dem's would try to paint him-

                        Let's elect a guy that will not provide proof of citizenship- who hangs around with unconvicted, self-admitted terrorists, who belonged to a church for over 20 years who's pastor continues to blame the US for every problem in the world, a guy that has zero military experience, who worked as a lawyer for an organization that has been found multiple times to be guilty of voter fraud n multiple states- a guy that changes his mind whenever it suits him personally, like public financed campaigns - in other words, just another typical politician, who will do whatever it takes to get elected, so he can enforce his version of what America ought to be- I could go on and on about his views about gun control laws or his comments about the Constitution being an imperfect document, meaning he wants to 'fix' it, but I trust him less that anybody, even Hillary- Mr. Obama is willing to fix any problem, as long as it is with YOUR money- ask him how he has treated his own family and relatives over the years- You had better think about what 'change' you will get if Obama is in charge-
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jeff_in_Atl
                          No. I guess you don't remember the past. The Clinton administration toyed around with a "one time" tax of 15% on your IRA/401k accounts. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid has talked openly about doing this if the big BO gets elected. How many times are they going to do this "one time" tax? twice? Three times? Every year? Once they do it once and see how much money they can get to give to poor people to get their votes they will keep on.

                          http://www.investmentnews.com/apps/p.../REG/810079894
                          It was an idea to jump start a universal health care plan. And that wouldn't happen, they'll find other ways to get the money. And even if they took a one time tax, they'd have to give it back at another time because that money is going to be taxed upon withdrawal, which would be getting taxed TWICE, which will not happen, especially in light of what's happened here, it would be career SUICIDE for ANYBODY to try pulling that over on the American people.

                          I do remember the bill clinton era, and I miss it. Maybe you've forgotten how it used to be. He also introduced the Roth IRA. What did he do that was really so bad?

                          Jeff, I've read a lot of your posts. It seems to me that you're just a bias republican and no matter who runs in that party, that's who you're going to vote for.

                          All that McCain talks about is cutting taxes, Obama's associations, etc... Not to mention that catastrophic VP pick. If you REALLY think that it's in the best interest of our country to elect a 72 year old in below average health into office, with Sarah Palin in the bullpen, then I have to believe you're just a bias republican. What has he REALLY said he's going to do to improve our economy, end this war, create jobs, provide health care, and improve our education system?? The answer is nothing. The man's irrational and too damn old.

                          I can see you 8 years ago having this same argument for George Bush. That turned out well.
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                          • #14
                            IBTL...

                            What you don't realize, raro, is that you can't listen to what any politician "says" they are going to do. Why is that so hard to remember. Remember what Granholm "said" she would do for Michigan? "In five years, you'll be blown away!" Have you been blown away?

                            With that in mind, it becomes obvious that the only true way to know whether or not a candidate is worth anything is there RECORD! Yes, that is right, believe it or not, to find out who is best to lead, you must first research the candidates record. Everything from there political to their lifestyle to there character.

                            I hate to say it but to put Barrack Hussein Obama into office knowing his "record", is much like electing Stalin....maybe worse. Say hello to even more socialism in a communist kind of way. The reds were right. All they have to do is put a guy in front of you that makes you feel good deep down in your belly. And you will vote him in. WOW....

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by raroZ28
                              It was an idea to jump start a universal health care plan. And that wouldn't happen, they'll find other ways to get the money. And even if they took a one time tax, they'd have to give it back at another time because that money is going to be taxed upon withdrawal, which would be getting taxed TWICE, which will not happen, especially in light of what's happened here, it would be career SUICIDE for ANYBODY to try pulling that over on the American people.
                              They are not "finding" the money they are taking from the people of this country. The government does not produce anything. They only consume. The only money the government has is what they take via taxes.
                              Originally posted by raroZ28
                              I do remember the bill clinton era, and I miss it. Maybe you've forgotten how it used to be. He also introduced the Roth IRA. What did he do that was really so bad?
                              I'll just hit the biggest one here. Bill Clinton and the democratically controlled congress passed the bill to lower the standards for mortgage lending that caused the 40% drop in the stock market this year. Bill Clinton himself admitted to this being wrong and causing the mortgage meltdown.
                              Originally posted by raroZ28
                              Jeff, I've read a lot of your posts. It seems to me that you're just a bias republican and no matter who runs in that party, that's who you're going to vote for.
                              Actually I am a Libertarian. I would be voting for Bob Bar but the stakes are too high in the election to let Obama get elected so I am voting for who I think has the best chance of beating him. I will change a words to your sentence and retype it here. "I've read a lot of your posts. It seems to me that you're just a bias democrat and no matter who runs in that party, that's who you're going to vote for."
                              Originally posted by raroZ28
                              All that McCain talks about is cutting taxes, Obama's associations, etc... Not to mention that catastrophic VP pick. If you REALLY think that it's in the best interest of our country to elect a 72 year old in below average health into office, with Sarah Palin in the bullpen, then I have to believe you're just a bias republican. What has he REALLY said he's going to do to improve our economy, end this war, create jobs, provide health care, and improve our education system?? The answer is nothing. The man's irrational and too damn old.
                              People said Reagan was too old too and he turned out to be one of the best presidents ever. Besides McCain's doctor has said there is nothing wrong with him and if genetics has anything to do with it his mother is still alive and kickin. So that is not an issue. As for Sarah Palan I like her. She does not play the politics game like Obama and a lot of other politicians on both sides. She as well as McCain do not always follow the party line. The look to do what is best for the country.
                              Now for your list,
                              economy = cut taxes on everybody including the people who create 80% of the jobs in this country.
                              create jobs = first it's not the government’s role to create jobs. It is their job to create an environment conducive to economic growth. Raising taxes on the people who provide jobs will make them export the jobs overseas. Lowering them like McCain wants to do will import jobs from overseas. Higher taxes suppresses economic growth.
                              provide health care = Where in the constitution does it say that it is the governments job to provide healthcare for the people? It's not their job. It's your job.
                              Improve education system = unfortunately neither candidate can or will be able to fix this by federalizing education. Throwing money at it is not the answer.
                              Originally posted by raroZ28
                              I can see you 8 years ago having this same argument for George Bush. That turned out well.
                              George Bush is nowhere near as bad as the democrats make him out to be. He has kept us safe for 7 years now. If he hadn't of you would be the first howling about how bad he is. You can't even give him credit for that. Keeping us safe is after all his #1 job.
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