Let the gun bans begin...

[FroSSty]

how does anyone think that making them illegal will lesson gun crimes? With these rifles they need to be registered. If a crime is comitted then the registration will lead back to the criminal. I am in agreement to register these weapons! Now making these weapons illegal erases the paper trail that has led to so many arrest. and in all honesty it really doesnt matter what anyone says.

Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.



PLAIN AND SIMPLE.........................................

The problem with registration is that the first thing the criminal does is he destroys the serial number on the gun and then registration does nothing. You don't believe that the gang bangers are actually going to follow the law and register there ak, right? No they won't but every single law abiding citizen will go through the hassle to stay within the law. Ask any PD in Michigan how much of a pita and a waste of resources it is to register handguns. Then ask them how many pistols are legally registered to the gangbangers they take off the street. The answer might astound you. Registration is just another "feel good' legislation that doesn't work.

The answer to all of these junk laws is stiffer penalties for the crime you commit. Think about it. Instead of cushy jail cells with cable tv, how about some hard labor!

[Wild Willy]

"The rights of the people shall not be infringed..."

Pretty plain and simple, they said what they meant- and the gun-grabbers have been trying to twist it around ever since-

Arguing over what the 'militia' is- how about all citizens of voting age? Black97 apparently lived in Switzerland, were all adult males were required to have a gun and ammo in their home- same this with Israel- care to check the crime statistics in either country? Much lower than here in the States- When law-abiding people are armed, it is a good thing for society- People know better than to try and break into occupied houses, or threaten people- There are many crimes every year that are stopped, because some legal weapon owner points a gun at a criminal and stops them, but you will virtually never hear about it in the mainstream press- that would be like encouraging people to defend themselves, to take personal responsibility- how very unfashionable- we are all victims, nowadays, to be saved by the government-

I hunt, I grew up in a family with many guns- I am a responsible owner, keep them secure- I have never robbed anyone, shot anyone, even threatened anyone with a weapon- If you threaten me or break into my house, I am prepared to defend myself- when I go camping where there are wild animals, I am armed- people that go with me may not ever know that, unless something happens- But I think we are obligated to be prepared to defend ourselves, and those under our care-

[Wild Willy]

One more rant, though I feel like I am preaching to the choir here- outlawing guns won't get rid of them- the criminals will still have plenty- Most states have registration requirements for handguns- guess that means that gang members won't have pistols, right?.....

Heroin and cocaine are illegal, guess there isn't any on the streets, either, right....? When you take guns away, only the law abiding people will give up their guns- a perfect plan for the criminals- Look at crime statistics in the UK, Australia, or Japan- where no one can have guns- except maybe a shotgun at a gun club- theoretically all those gun crimes can't be happening, yet, they are- and the chances of any legally armed citizen shooting back is almost nil-

[FroSSty]

"The rights of the people shall not be infringed..."

Pretty plain and simple, they said what they meant- and the gun-grabbers have been trying to twist it around ever since-

Arguing over what the 'militia' is- how about all citizens of voting age? Black97 apparently lived in Switzerland, were all adult males were required to have a gun and ammo in their home- same this with Israel- care to check the crime statistics in either country? Much lower than here in the States- When law-abiding people are armed, it is a good thing for society- People know better than to try and break into occupied houses, or threaten people- There are many crimes every year that are stopped, because some legal weapon owner points a gun at a criminal and stops them, but you will virtually never hear about it in the mainstream press- that would be like encouraging people to defend themselves, to take personal responsibility- how very unfashionable- we are all victims, nowadays, to be saved by the government-

I hunt, I grew up in a family with many guns- I am a responsible owner, keep them secure- I have never robbed anyone, shot anyone, even threatened anyone with a weapon- If you threaten me or break into my house, I am prepared to defend myself- when I go camping where there are wild animals, I am armed- people that go with me may not ever know that, unless something happens- But I think we are obligated to be prepared to defend ourselves, and those under our care-

Well written.

[markd79ta]

I thought of a good analogy last night.

For those of you on the fence or against ARs and such, what if a group of anti-car nuts proclaimed that f-bodies, Mustangs, Corvettes, etc., are just too powerful for the general public. These dreaded machines are prone to cause serious injury and death. Only professional race car drivers should operate such a machine on a closed track.

True, these cars can do more then the average commuter, but they are hardly a race car. For those of us into firearms, the claims against the AR are as ridiculous as this claim above is to a car person.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

I thought of a good analogy last night.

For those of you on the fence or against ARs and such, what if a group of anti-car nuts proclaimed that f-bodies, Mustangs, Corvettes, etc., are just too powerful for the general public. These dreaded machines are prone to cause serious injury and death. Only professional race car drivers should operate such a machine on a closed track.

True, these cars can do more then the average commuter, but they are hardly a race car. For those of us into firearms, the claims against the AR are as ridiculous as this claim above is to a car person.

My wife and I talked about that a couple a couple of months ago. Yea you don't "need" a muscle care when a hybrid would be much better for society as a whole so let’s ban all engines over 100 horsepower. Oh they can do it too especially if they own stake on the car companies.

[markd79ta]

Originally Posted by State Department Drone
"Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades," the warning said. "Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico, but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez."

Automatic weapons and grenades? Yeah, those are easily found in any sporting goods store.

I buy all my grenades from Walmart?

For that matter, I'm pretty sure an M-60 is really easy to get at any gun store or pawn shop - it's not like it's a fully-automatic, belt-fed, squad infantry weapon, right?

Didn't everyone pick up their M60 and M198 Howitzer at Sportsman's?


...what bunch of ****

[FroSSty]

Whenever someone makes the argument "There are plenty of semi-auto rifles and shotguns that don't fall under the assault rifle category." or something like it I can't help but think of a famous poem by Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892-1984).


When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

You see, they have already made machineguns the scary step-uncle. They have required registration and a $200 tax stamp on machineguns since 1934. Then they banned new production of machineguns in 1986 (except for leo and military). Therefore any machinegun built before the 1986 Ban can still be transfered for the $200 tax stamp but because there cannot be any new guns produced, they are priced well above what the gun is truly worth. Effectively keeping them out of the hands of most civilians. "For instance, as of September 2008, a transferrable M16 rifle costs approximately $15,000 to $18,000, while a transferrable "lightning-link" for the AR-15 can sell for $8,000 to $10,000. New manufacture M-16s sell to law enforcement and the military for around $600 to $1000."

A lot of people ask why anybody would need a machinegun. I ask why not. It is a hobby. Maybe not a hobby that you take part in but why should I be told that I cannot have that hobby. It is no different than having the guberment tell you that you cannot mod your car because you might not comply with emissions laws, sound laws and etc. Somebody is going to get killed in a street race so, again because of criminals, the rest of us should give up our hobbies?

"Crime
While NFA weapons as a whole are perceived by the American public as dangerous[citation needed], their use in crime is exceedingly rare. Legally-owned (ie, NFA-registered) machine guns have been used in only two murders since 1934, one of which was committed by a police officer.[11] A previous director of the ATF testified before Congress[citation needed] that fewer than ten registered machine guns (out of over 240,000 in the nation) have ever been used in any type of crime (including nonviolent offenses such as failing to notify ATF of address changes, etc.). The criminal use of other legally-owned NFA weapons is similarly rare. The Title II weapons used in prominent crimes, such the AK-47s used in the North Hollywood shootout of 1997, have universally been illegally-owned or illegally-converted weapons."

So....Why all the fuss? Is it because they are scary? No more scary than a number two pencil in the right hands. Of course not. It is because the guberment wants CONTROL!

[Jeff_in_Atl]

I buy all my grenades from Walmart?

That is pretty darn funny.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

One thing I have always thought was funny is the liberals keep bringing up Brady in this. I may be wrong but I think he was shot by a .22 revolver not a semi automatic weapon that the Brady ban does away with.

wait I am confusing 2 things. Brady was at the hearing to get assault weapons banned not that the Brady bill tried to ban them. Anyway the point is Brady's incident doesn't have anything to do with an "assault weapon".

[FroSSty]

Originally Posted by State Department Drone
I buy all my grenades from Walmart?

Beware of the lead paint.

[FroSSty]

Me, Billy Buck and my "dangerous assault weapon"...
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[markd79ta]

One thing I have always thought was funny is the liberals keep bringing up Brady in this. I may be wrong but I think he was shot by a .22 revolver not a semi automatic weapon that the brady ban does away with.

The Brady bill deals with wait periods, and background checks...

The original "assault weapons" and high cap mag ban was put in the 1994 Crime Bill with a 10 year sunset clause.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

The Brady bill deals with w periods, and background checks...

The original "assault weapons" and high cap mag ban was put in the 1994 Crime Bill with a 10 year sunset clause.

Yea I realized that. See what I added while you were typing.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

The original "assault weapons" and high cap mag ban was put in the 1994 Crime Bill with a 10 year sunset clause.

Oh I also heard they are going to take out the sunset clause this time so it doesn't expire. That will make the republicans have to pass something to get it removed next time. That will be much harder to do.