Camaro surpasses Mustang

[94TAGT]

My wife and I just got back from a week on vacation in Florida. We were in Orlando and Tampa. We decided on a 2010 Mustang V6 hardtop for our rental car.
What's not to like? Honestly, as far as the driving experience goes it is light years ahead of our f-bodies. The V6 model is about as fast as our V8 models, too.

The 2010 V-6 is not the same V-6 as the 2011. The 2011 V-6 will give a stock LT-1 or LS-1 a run for its money. But the 2010 will still be at the light wondering "did I just try to race him"?

[ryan34]

The 2010 V-6 is not the same V-6 as the 2011. The 2011 V-6 will give a stock LT-1 or LS-1 a run for its money. But the 2010 will still be at the light wondering "did I just try to race him"?

I'm a little hesitant to agree with you on the stock LT1 statement, and there is no way that it will hang with a stock LS1. Stock LS1's are low 13 second cars.

[Joe 1320]

This is getting interesting.

[Dave-S]

I'm a little hesitant to agree with you on the stock LT1 statement, and there is no way that it will hang with a stock LS1. Stock LS1's are low 13 second cars.

A 13.7 second car is no slouch.......these suckers are quick and they sound awesome and I think they will give some LS1s fits. Check out this latest video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i-QqjLLjO8

[94TAGT]

I'm a little hesitant to agree with you on the stock LT1 statement, and there is no way that it will hang with a stock LS1. Stock LS1's are low 13 second cars.

Fastest stock LT-1 times I could find is: 0-60 (5.6) and 1/4 (14.0)
Fastest stock LS-1 times I could find is: 0-60 (5.3) and 1/4 (13.4)
Fastest stock LS-1 WS6 I could find is: 0-60 (4.9) and 1/4 (13.4)
2011 V-6 Mustang times again are: 0-60 (5.1) and 1/4 (13.7)

I hate to say it is true, but it is. On any day the 2011 V-6 Mustang can hang with an LS-1. Keep it mind our cars are getting some age on them and technology is getting better with less. The new V-6's are an impressive bunch. No doubt with a few bolt ons we would see better gains than they would though.

[Joe 1320]

Keep one thing in mind folks. I can't count how many times the performance clockings that magazines report on the pre prodution samples don't live up to the hype once they finally hit the street. No doubt the V6 is a stout performer, I would reserve my judgement until they get in the hands of the masses.

and..... my LT-1 did click off a 13.87 stock.

[ryan34]

Fastest stock LT-1 times I could find is: 0-60 (5.6) and 1/4 (14.0)
Fastest stock LS-1 times I could find is: 0-60 (5.3) and 1/4 (13.4)
Fastest stock LS-1 WS6 I could find is: 0-60 (4.9) and 1/4 (13.4)
2011 V-6 Mustang times again are: 0-60 (5.1) and 1/4 (13.7)

I hate to say it is true, but it is. On any day the 2011 V-6 Mustang can hang with an LS-1. Keep it mind our cars are getting some age on them and technology is getting better with less. The new V-6's are an impressive bunch. No doubt with a few bolt ons we would see better gains than they would though.

I've personally seen a stock WS6 run 13.1 and I've heard of LS-1's hitting as fast as 12.9. I've seen a stock LT-1 run 13.9. So I'll give you the LT1 statement, I didn't know the stang would hit 13.7. Now thats REAL quick for a V6. I figured they'd be running 14 flat or so. We'll see when they finally hit the streets though.

[3800_Firebird]

To quote Ken:

"...But It's Still A Mustang"

[98 'Bird]

Simply put, even the latest generation of our cars are of a decade's-old technology. A new Mustang is hardly a fair comparison to an F-body (stock), given the time difference. We're not in the same era here. But it doesn't make are cars any less than the awsome cars they've always been.

12 years ago, our cars LS1 cars totally s*** on the best Ford had to offer.
Our V6s weren't too far from their V8s in terms of HP -- comparing V6s to 8s!!
And in 1998 the Mustang in V6 form was a complete Turd! 150 HP and fewer MPG's with the same displacement. But the Mustang has progressed as time has gone on, and I have to give it to Ford for keeping their (inferior) pony car alive through all these years to come to what it is now.

[94TAGT]

The great thing I see out of this is, look at how old our cars are and sports cars today are still trying to keep up with those marks. GM was on it with the 4th Gen FBody, PERIOD!

[Joshu]

Approx how much does the new 'stang weigh?

[98 'Bird]

The great thing I see out of this is, look at how old our cars are and sports cars today are still trying to keep up with those marks. GM was on it with the 4th Gen FBody, PERIOD!

Right on

[Joe 1320]

. GM was on it with the 4th Gen FBody, PERIOD!

Well, perhaps a reminder is in order. On the mark depends on who you talk to. GM marketed the f-body to the enthusiast. Sure, the performance was right on the mark. Unfortunately they were getting outsold by a wide enough margin that the platform was killed off. It seems that more mainstream purchaser still bought something that was fairly sporty but many thousands cheaper. Most females looked at the f-body as being too low slung and radical, the budget minded went with other cars that were many thousands cheaper, in spite of the fact that the f-body outperformed the other choices in most every way.

In my opinion, GM has forgotten it's roots. Roll the clock back 30-40 years, someone could walk into a dealership and buy a really good performance car for barely more than run of the mill transportation by carefully checking the options that they wanted. In my opinion, you cannot do that now. Any kind of performance option carries with it a host of other padded and plush options that send prices and profits soaring.

If I could buy a new Camaro with the hottest V8, cloth interior and roll up windows my check would have already been written. Problem is, you can't buy it that way because GM treats these now as "niche" vehicles and they want their huge profit margins. I'm not attempting to verbally destroy GM, they have simply gone a different direction..... and that's a kind of road trip that I'm just not going along for the ride.

I've been a little depressed about this subject for many years now, GM continues to up the bar in so many ways but they continue to miss the mark in the fact that most performance vehicle shoppers are now relegated to dreamers as $35K+ for a pony car is out of the question. Keeping all the previous in mind, that V6 mustrag is appearing to be one hell of a bargain. I can see one thing, right now is appears as though Ford understands the market a little better than GM. Even though the Camaro is in the top spot at the moment, it's likely that the new for is going to sucker punch GM pretty hard. It's a shame, I think the Camaro is such a better looker.

[Dave-S]

For me personally the days of owning a new performance car are also long gone. Once todays muscle cars are a few years older, the prices will be in "reasonable" territory for me and that's when Ill buy.

Dave

[Gary94Formula]

I'm with you guys, buying new you always take the biggest hit on the value of the vehicle. I look for cars that are between 1-3 years old with under 15K miles on them and you can usually get them for a steal. I bought my old 94 Formula with 9k miles on it and I bought my GTO with 16K on it. Both were about 60% of a brand new one. Plus from private owners with factory warrantys still in effect. I am looking for a nice used 08-09 Corvette now. If I can find the right deal, who knows.. :-)