Dyno tune Saturday

[jessica2112]

I have an appointment Sat for a dyno tune. However, I don't have my headers on yet. Am I wasting my money? $150 hr. Also, they told me to get a speedo recalibrator, due to my new 3:42's. I would think a Dyno shop would have the software to change that if they could do the tune. Are they crooked? THis is what they said:
You shouldn't need to re-tune after a header install, however Mary says you will need a universal speed calibration kit. Best thing to do at this point for pricing is to call Mary directly at the number below & speak with her about it. I have penciled you in for Saturday & will hold your spot on the dyno .

They said they can tune it no problem.

[Dave M]

I'm not sure about the V6, but in the V8 the speedo started being recalibrated by computer in 94 I believe. I would imagine the V6 is the same. I'm not sure they completely know what they're talking about. Maybe others can help more. If it were me, I'd wait until you have the headers on, also.

[Kevin - Blown 95 TA]

I'm with Dave, although I don't know for sure, having never worked on a V6. I change mine in the computer which is a gen older than what you got. It's odd they can adjust the fuel and timing tables and not change a little thing like a gear ratio. Can't you do even that with a Hypertech programmer?

[jessica2112]

That's what I was thinking. It's really funny because I e-mailed them yesterday, and asked what software they were going to use to tune it. Now they used to get right back with me on the e-mail. However I have not heard back from them since yesterday morning. I really doubt they write back. I think I called their bluff. They probably don't have any V6 tuning software, or they were going to try the LS1 or just fiddle faddle and take $450.

[Joe 1320]

That's what I was thinking. It's really funny because I e-mailed them yesterday, and asked what software they were going to use to tune it. Now they used to get right back with me on the e-mail. However I have not heard back from them since yesterday morning. I really doubt they write back. I think I called their bluff. They probably don't have any V6 tuning software, or they were going to try the LS1 or just fiddle faddle and take $450.

Ya know, I've suggested several times in your threads that as of as little as 6 months ago, the GM V6 code had yet to be cracked into far enough to permit aftermarket tuning. One big red flag is their inability to do a speedo correction. You need to investigate an aftermarket management system. I'm not going to add anything further as evidently it falls on deaf ears.

[Kevin - Blown 95 TA]

Joe, i didn't want to say anything, but I was worried that might be the case regarding tuning a V6. If they don't have an emulator, or at least an ability to modify the tables, then what are they going to do for her? I guess they could mess with a MAF translater, but that's not really the same as getting the right tune in there, and as far as i know she doesn't have a BTM or any other device to retard the timing. I don't know - but maybe she could go that route if it's possible - MAF translater and MSD BTM. Or if not, maybe she could just add the MSD BTM and take out 1 1/2 deg/# boost and get rid of all the retard that the computer's probably throwing in there to protect the engine or go water/methanol injection and leave the timing alone. She would still need some kind of wide band tune to dial that in though... just brainstorming.

[Joe 1320]

Joe, i didn't want to say anything, but I was worried that might be the case regarding tuning a V6. If they don't have an emulator, or at least an ability to modify the tables, then what are they going to do for her? I guess they could mess with a MAF translater, but that's not really the same as getting the right tune in there, and as far as i know she doesn't have a BTM or any other device to retard the timing. I don't know - but maybe she could go that route if it's possible - MAF translater and MSD BTM. Or if not, maybe she could just add the MSD BTM and take out 1 1/2 deg/# boost and get rid of all the retard that the computer's probably throwing in there to protect the engine or go water/methanol injection and leave the timing alone. She would still need some kind of wide band tune to dial that in though... just brainstorming.

Bingo. You are on the right track all the way down to the wideband. I had a local person approach me with a few tuning issues and I agreed to do some investigating and help him out. I ran into so many brick walls, mostly due to the GM code not having been cracked yet. My solution ended up being alchy injection...... I never was able to convince him to try propane injection. That's a relatively new system that is rapidly showing it's merits. It's amazing what can be done with propane and 87 octane pump gas.

[raroZ28]

Ya know, I've suggested several times in your threads that as of as little as 6 months ago, the GM V6 code had yet to be cracked into far enough to permit aftermarket tuning. One big red flag is their inability to do a speedo correction. You need to investigate an aftermarket management system. I'm not going to add anything further as evidently it falls on deaf ears.

I get that same feeling. She's been getting the same responses from everybody since she came here and she still asks what she needs to do.

I'm sure we're not the first to tell her what she's been hearing here. She said friends from a shop install it, and they installed it right she says... If they had half a clue they'd know that what they did wasn't going to work right....

Jessica, try this board.
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?board=gmv6engine

[markd79ta]

I have an appointment Sat for a dyno tune. However, I don't have my headers on yet. Am I wasting my money? $150 hr. Also, they told me to get a speedo recalibrator, due to my new 3:42's. I would think a Dyno shop would have the software to change that if they could do the tune. Are they crooked? THis is what they said:
You shouldn't need to re-tune after a header install, however Mary says you will need a universal speed calibration kit. Best thing to do at this point for pricing is to call Mary directly at the number below & speak with her about it. I have penciled you in for Saturday & will hold your spot on the dyno .

They said they can tune it no problem.

I would get with one of these three vendors to talk about what you are doing. Also, it may be helpful to get on one of the 3800 forums. I use the Bonneville forum for my SSEI. The Grand Prix GTP people also have a lot of good info. The 3800 is a different animal, but there are a lot of things that you can do with them. However, you need to get your info. from the right crowd. The Grand Prix and Bonneville people have the most info with regard to tuning the 3800.

http://www.3800performance.com/

http://www.intense-racing.com/

http://www.zzperformance.com/

[jessica2112]

OK, well I can take a hint. Thanks for the help. See ya all later.

[Dave M]

try www.clubgp.com for a lot of info on sc'ed 3.8s. What you have now is essentially a grand prix GTP motor, so they can help you out. They know all about tuning sc'ed 3.8 Ls

[Joe 1320]

OK, well I can take a hint. Thanks for the help. See ya all later.

No, obviously you don't. Without stepping on any toes or getting any egos in a flair, you've been handed some good advice. When you first posted on this board, it started out with a referance to how other boards had offended you. Jessica, it appears as though the advice that others give you gets swept under the carpet unless it is exactly what you want to hear. That isn't how the dedicated members on this board operate. They offer legitimate help without asking for anything in return. To even allude that we're brushing you off is way off base. You requested via PM to delete your account...... I won't delete your account, there is no point. If you go back and re-read all of the threads, you'll see that in no fashion was anything other than factual information offered........ all because you asked for tech help. Perhaps a re-think is in order.

[DeWynter]

In no way are any of us trying to brush you off. The problem lies in the fact that over 90% of us all run V8 engines and have not played with the V6 option. We all would love to help you more, but we just dont have the experience required to help on a 3800. I realize other boards can be a bit...we'll say rude, to be nice. That is why I came to this board, everyone is helpfull and respectfull of others. I cant say enough how much I like this board better, but sometimes I have to go to other boards for tech info on my third gen as most here have 4th gens. I dont overly like going and asking quetions over at thirdgen.org as most responces are less than civil. But its a nessisary evil I guess. We want to help you out but all we can do is try to point you in a direction that may be of more help. Sorry if it seems like we are trying to push you onto another board but most of us feel you will get better answers from the the ones toiling trough the V6 software and programing, so they are better suited to answer your questions. Best of luck in your search.

[raroZ28]

Jessica, it appears as though the advice that others give you gets swept under the carpet unless it is exactly what you want to hear.

Couldn't have said it better myself..

Would it make you feel better if everyone told you all you had to do was take off the stock airbox, run a cone filter, and have your computer tuned for $150 bucks and you'd run strong? I guarantee if we told you that, as much of a load of crap it obviously is, you would do it because in the back of your head it's what you want to do, and it's cheap. Quit being such a baby and appreciate the help these guys are trying to give you.

But if you wanna go, don't let the door hit ya...

[jessica2112]

Whats the use of a private message if you post it? As for the rest, I am not asking for a cheap way out. I must have misunderstood what you were saying. I DO listen to what you all have to say. I don't post for the fun of it. I did mot mean to step on any toes OK? I don't copy all the replies into a folder. So, if it was brought up in another thread at another time, I sure don't remember. My mistake. I think it would be a good idea to copy information and I will do that. So, if the GM V6 code is not cracked what is HPtuners? I guess you all have never made a mistake with your first hotrod. Well I have. I went about it the wrong way. I had the money for the sc so I got it. I should have waited to put it on, I did not. I was told a rear end would be good for what I wanted to do. It was a mistake. So I am not blaming anyone for my troubles. I just want to get what I have going. If I have asked the same questions, forgive me. If I cannot get the car to perform, so be it. All I can say is I tried. I learned from my mistakes. Is that not human nature?