Alright guys, I am not proud of this...

[Jeff02GAGT]

SORRY >

I didn't realize that it went to a second thread, my bad!

[AmericanZ28]

Well......

Youre definetly right on it being amazing, I mean, 300 hp, thats major! But, if I'm not mistaking, the WRX Sti is pumping 18 pounds of boost! Thats a whole lot of boost, so im not that impressed with the 300hp. And Id have to agree with Wolfman, it is rice... My 2 cents

[Joe 1320]

Remember.....

The times these cars can acheive, don't come easy. You'll have to really drive the car like you hate it. That's what is cool about our muscle cars, the fact that you don't have to drive it at 10/10ths in order to get great performance.

[z06transam]

well streetfighter you get people raggin on cars no matter what kind of car scene your in so if you dont like it get out of it it all part of the fun of competition. and you wolfman relax!

[JL8Jeff]

Any 4 cyl making close to 300 hp with a lots of turbo boost is not going to last for long. And I would hope a car with AWD can outhandle pretty much anything you compare it to. I think you guys are getting swept up in the hype. Why dod you really need AWD? You don't, you just want it. AWD is also more things to break. I ran a supercharger on my 93 Z28 Indy 500 Pace Car for almost 5 years and 40K miles and never had a problem with the car and still got 26-28 mpg on the highway with the automatic. That car was my daily driver and I even towed my boat with it. That car was the best $15K I ever spent and I still got back almost $11K after 5 years. You're not going to get that out of one of these overpriced turbo 4 cyl cars. Take a deep breath and really think about it. Big power in small engines comes at a price.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

Some responses...

There are a few things to address from some earlier posts...

Jeff PLEASE DON'T GET THOSE AWFUL, UGLY GOLD WHEELS!!!!! PLEASE!

Okay, now I feel better.

The new Audi S4 -- V8? Are you sure? I know it is pumping out insane amounts of power this year, and yes I would love to have one, but they are quite pricey. Are you sure you aren't thinking of the new RS6? By the way, the new RS6 runs 12.7 and below in the 1/4 mile... wow...

All wheel drive not necessary? Well, you may be correct that it isn't NEEDED, but it is a HUGE bonus in Michigan / Minnesota winters. I should have checked where you are from before posting the reply, I am not sure if you have the same experiences in the winter that I do. The road salt eats paint alive besides the poor traction that the snow and ice cause the rear-wheel drive vehicles. If AWD isn't necessary, then at least FWD is. I'm storing my car anyway, why not get something that is a little safer on slippery roads?

[JL8Jeff]

I'm in NJ and our winters usually aren't too bad, but this past winter was. If you need a vehicle to drive in bad conditions, I would recommend a late 80's early 90's Toyota 4x4 pickup or 4Runner. I don't see the reasoning for getting a new AWD turbo car for $30K unless your plan is to get rid of your F-body in exchange. If my mom could drive a rwd station wagon in the snow, then it proves that AWD and FWD is not needed. Heck, I'm driving a 454 powered 2wd pickup every day and it's much worse than an F-body. I just tend to disagree with a lot of arguments people make for justifying certain vehicles. Like the people who buy Chevy Suburbans or Ford Excursions because they "need to fit everything in it when they go on vacation or haul the soccer team". How many times a year do they really go on vacation or haul the soccer team around? Please, I see more women talking on cell phones driving Suburbans and they're the only one in that bus. Not needed! Sorry, had to vent.

[z06transam]

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[96TAragtop]

Originally posted by JL8Jeff
Any 4 cyl making close to 300 hp with a lots of turbo boost is not going to last for long. And I would hope a car with AWD can outhandle pretty much anything you compare it to. I think you guys are getting swept up in the hype. Why dod you really need AWD? You don't, you just want it. AWD is also more things to break. I ran a supercharger on my 93 Z28 Indy 500 Pace Car for almost 5 years and 40K miles and never had a problem with the car and still got 26-28 mpg on the highway with the automatic. That car was my daily driver and I even towed my boat with it. That car was the best $15K I ever spent and I still got back almost $11K after 5 years. You're not going to get that out of one of these overpriced turbo 4 cyl cars. Take a deep breath and really think about it. Big power in small engines comes at a price.

Not aruging, just playing devil's advocate here-

Well, why would you need a 300+ HP LS1 or LT1? Or even a 400+ LT1 like your old Camaro? You don't need that either. Nor does anyone need the insurance payment tied up in most fbodies. *Most* people under 28 with even a 'ok' driving record will pay dearly for insurance premiums.

The WRX, for 1, is more practical. AWD means it doesnt need to sit in the garage for the winter. Not to mention, these young folks are less likely to wrap a WRX around a tree when testosterone jump to levels uncontrolled by simple common sense. Fbodies take a fair amount of skill and experience when pushing them to high levels. We all know how easy it is for these things to get all over the road on dry pavement.

Bottom line, there are ups and downs to each genre of performance. I for one, appreciate both. I assure you, I won't be running out to trade up the TA for anything, anytime soon. I love my car. But I am glad to see performance ruling the roads again. There is a lot of it out there now, and you don't need to pay 30, 40, or $50k for it. Just like the good old days- albiet coming from different countries.

Just my .02 cents

-George

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

Originally posted by z06transam
i talked to the local mitsu dealer around here and they said you can touch anything on it or its all voided soif anything go w/ a sti but why are you talking about these cars on a f-body sight. you shouldnt even consider one if your true to your car and americans.

Most Americans like things such as punctuation, capitalization, and correct grammar as well.

[96TAragtop]

Re: Some responses...

Originally posted by Jay 02 TA ws6
The new Audi S4 -- V8? Are you sure? I know it is pumping out insane amounts of power this year, and yes I would love to have one, but they are quite pricey. Are you sure you aren't thinking of the new RS6?

Yup! The new S4 comes equipped with a 344 HP 4.2 V8, derived from the same 4.2 out of the previous S6 and A8. The new RS6 will have a 4.2 litre V8 as well, however, it will bi-turbo with 450 HP.

These cars are SWEET. I intend on getting myself a 2000-2002 2.7 bi-turbo S4 as soon as I get my wife's car paid off. I just like the idea of turbo

[badTAbird]

LOOKS!

I buy a car for
#1..LOOKS
2. performance.
Nothing in price range beats a ram air TA. The WRX may be fast but is butt ugly square box. My 2 cents

[JL8Jeff]

Originally posted by 96TAragtop
Not aruging, just playing devil's advocate here-

Well, why would you need a 300+ HP LS1 or LT1? Or even a 400+ LT1 like your old Camaro? You don't need that either. Nor does anyone need the insurance payment tied up in most fbodies. *Most* people under 28 with even a 'ok' driving record will pay dearly for insurance premiums.

The WRX, for 1, is more practical. AWD means it doesnt need to sit in the garage for the winter. Not to mention, these young folks are less likely to wrap a WRX around a tree when testosterone jump to levels uncontrolled by simple common sense.

-George

I'll disagree with the WRX being safer, someone I know already wrapped his around a tree. Any vehicle is safe if driven properly. As for insurance, it all depends on what state you live in and I live in the worst state, NJ. But my insurance was less than $900 a year with my supercharged Z28. I wanted my car to be different and stand out even more at car shows so I put a supercharger on it. I just don't see how a $32,000 car is easily justified as a winter vehicle. If you are not keeping an F-body then sure, get a $32,000 AWD turbo vehicle and hope you can get 100K miles out of it.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

Explanation...

The reason for my sarcastic remark was simply that I take offense to you questioning my loyalty towards my car. I don't think there are many other 21 year olds out there who would be able to pay for and afford a brand new WS6 if they weren't VERY committed to it. I have loved this car since the days of Knight Rider when I was 3 and 4. It is because of the loyalty to my F-Body that I don't drive it in the winter! Due to that, I will need another car, and I was just thinking it would be very cool to get a car that can still perform. It will never hold the place in my hear t that my WS6 does.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

Okay...

I understand where you are coming from, but I can tell you positively that my car will not see winter roads. This isn't up for debate, my mind is made up. This winter I likely will get a $1000 beater that is FWD so that I can make it through this winter. I will graduate next spring, and once I have a job, a car like the STi or Evo would be much more within reach.

I may look at other things... like a used Audi A4 or better yet... S4. But I really want the winter ability of the all-wheel drive.

By the way... I didn't mean to tick z06transam off nearly as much as I did.