Bill Heard...$1100!!!!

[Christopherrr]

Update on my dead TA...

Well, it seems as though my K&N filter has completely jacked up my induction system (per Bill Heard).

It's gonna be estimated at $1100 to fix Victoria.

Sonya at Bill Heard said that the K&N Filter jacked up the MAF along with it contaminated the intake manifold. So the manifold has got to be cleaned out...

Apparently, parts is $566 +- and labor is the other chunk.

You think my MAF descreen had anything to do with this??? Never heard of a filter taking out your whole intake system. Anywho, they are gonna replace the MAF and throttle body and clean her out...possibly a new (factory) lid, which I ket her know I still had.

What the crap man...

Oh well, she did say that the TA is well maintained... and in excellent condition...

Wanna donate to the Save Chris' Car Foundation???

[Jeff_in_Atl]

I don't believe that at all. Call K&N and tell them that and see what they say.

[DWS'95Bird]

I can't believe it is the K&N unless you did not have a good seal

[Mark B]

I didn’t see your last post about this problem. However, I don’t see how a filer can harm your engine. Unless, you just cleaned it and you had too much air filter oil on it. If the filter was still dripping when you reinstalled it, that oil probably wouldn’t be good for the engine.

[M3EATER - GG '00 WS6 T/A]

I think yer getting a ride on the merry-go-round...

However,

An over oiled K&N can cause the hot-wire in the MAF to become coated with the oil and damage/ruin it. This would only be an issue if the filter was over-oiled after being cleaned ..... the extra oil is sucked through the intake (across the MAF).

This is why it's so important to be carefull of not applying too much oil to the K&N filters .... especially on EFI vehicles with hot-wire MAFs.

Now.... I have also seen dealers make outrageous claims like yours .... the instant they see a K&N filter on a car.

If your MAF is damaged from the K&N oil .... the rest of the intake, even if it does have a coating, would not keep it from running.

Gordon

[Christopherrr]

yeah...I kinda figured it's a bunch of bologna.

I'm gonna go over there and inspect everything myself...

I think I might of over oil the filter...but still. I clean the MAF when she had this problem and it was coated with some black gunk.

I don't know...I'll investigate and see what's shaking.

Would over oiling the filter even require you to clean the intake manifold???

Any ideas how I should go about this??? I wouldn't know what to even say...

[tabahr]

I agree with these guys! You are being taken! Take your car back and RUN!

the idea that the air filter destroyed the intake is stupid. Ask what it hurt. The TB, the intake manifold? the injectors?

That is IMPOSSIBLE!. The *worst* it could had done is allow some unfiltered air to pass if it did not fit properly. If it was over oiled, it is possible the MAF may have problems, but no other parts.

If unfiltered air did get in the engine for a long time period, you would see possible scoring on the cylinder walls, but not problems with the intake system. What a bunch of crap. If I took my car somewhere and got that line I would demand to talk to the manager. If he didnt come clean with me I'd be filing a report at the BBB. That is pathetic.

I really recommend taking your car elsewhere.

[tabahr]

Re: Bill Heard...$1100!!!!

Originally posted by LimTeng99TransAm
[B]they are gonna replace the MAF and throttle body and clean her out...possibly a new (factory) lid, which I ket her know I still had.
[B]

I might understand a new MAF. BUT that would not cause the car to not run

Replace the TB?? WHY? Just clean it!! it is just a chunk of metal!
(I doubt there is anything wrong with it anyway)

clean out the intake manifold? you are joking, right?

A new lid?? That is actually making me laugh. It is a piece of plactic, for god sakes. What could possibly be so wrong with it that the car won't run?

This is the worst rip off attempt I've ever seen. I doubt it will even fix your problem. Who is working on your car? Mickey Mouse?

[Jeff_in_Atl]

My understandings the car should run but with a rich condition if you unplugged the MAF but it should run. OK lets say you did over oil the filter. The bottle is what 8 ozs and say you put half a bottle on it. How much surface area is their in an intake manifold. I don't know maybe 100 square inches. 4 ozs over 100 square inches might be what .010 thick. Is that going to plug a 1 inch diameter intake. I really don't see any way in you know where that it could be enough to stop it from running. I've heard some lines from dealerships before but this one takes the cake. The problem is you are sort of at their mercy. You are put in the position of arguing with an SAE certified mechanic. Tell them you didn't just fall off a turnip truck and their is no was a little oil could plug 8 1 inch holes in the intake. Tell them to diagnosis instead of guessing and trying to take you to the cleaners with a bunch of un-necessary work. They make a ton of money off people who don't know any better. They did it to me by misdiagnosing my car problem as the ignition module when it was the OPTI. Their mistake cost me $500.

[M3EATER - GG '00 WS6 T/A]

I don't remember if I've ever tried to drive my car with the MAF unplugged, but it will definitely start.

Sooo..... if your car will not start withthe MAF unplugged ..... THAT AIN'T THE PROBLEM!

I have a used MAF (30,000 miles) if you want one, but it doesn't sound like that is the problem.

AND .... tell them to take a leap with the lid, TB and intake....!

Gordon
PPC

[Joe 1320]

There is one thing that you guys are missing. One sign of blowby is oil in the intake.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

But there diagnosis is that the air filter let crap by and clogged the intake. (They did not say what the crap was whether it was oil or debris) Their solution is to clean the intake. Their diagnosis was not that it let crap by and caused scratches in the cylinder bore which let oil blow by and clog the intake. The solution for this would be a new motor and that is not what they said.

[Mark B]

CLOGGED intake!!!! You are joking... Right? The intake on LT1's & LS1's are huge! You would have had to suck in a small animal to clog it up that bad. Any small debris would just sucked into the combustion chamber and go out the exhaust (Not that thats a good thing.) I hate when dealerships guess. If they are not sure what the problem is, just work something out with us. But instead the lie and tell you that you have some big problem with an even bigger price tag. That way they can tear apart the motor and when they find the real problem, they have already gotten enough money from you to cover the real repair. Where are you located?... Mabey someone on the board knows a reputatble dealership or shop.

[M3EATER - GG '00 WS6 T/A]

Originally posted by Joe 1320
There is one thing that you guys are missing. One sign of blowby is oil in the intake.

The LS1s are known to suck a bit (or more) of oil through the PCV and of course that would make everything kinda oily .... still no need for any service on that. And, that's all down wind of the MAF.

Yup, they may just be seeing the "normal" oil from the PCV all in the TB and Manifold.

Gordon

[Flash 97 WS/6]

In my younger and stupider days, I have run cars (Toyota's, Nissans and Fords ) with no air filter at all for thousands of miles! I've sucked in bugs, leaves and god only knows what all else and never developed any problems at all.

They are way off base... Unless the filter totally disintegrated and got sucked into the motor! Even then you would probably only lose the MAF wires .

Run to the hills!
Run for your life!