went to the 1/8mile track

[thomas]

OK kids, its time to kiss and make up Ill shut up now.

[Kevin - Blown 95 TA]

Well, I'd say that regardless of the ET & MPH, that 60 needs work in a bad way (assuming those 60' numbers are correct). To get your automatic off the line with stock tires & a greasy track you need to not floor it right away. You want to power brake it, but when the tree comes down, lift the brake, but keep it at part throttle for the launch, then mash it slowly depending on the traction you are getting out of the hole. It takes some trial & error, but this technique was taught to me by a guy named ProStock John who was some kind of local track celebrity, and hell if he didn't coach me into the 12s for the first time when I was wallowing in the 13.0s back a few years ago when my car was stock with a blower & headers. You can also get a bro to watch your car and see how your launch looks. He can help you figure out what you're doing wrong.

[Joe 1320]

You know what boggles my mind? Every time someone seems proud and excited about posting their 1/4 or 1/8 mile times, the first thing you (Injuneer) do is jump all over the accuracy of their times.

That is a sure way to make someone feel unwelcomed to the board.

I'm not liking the direction this is going.............

[hotwhip9]

Suspension parts will help, lower the tire pressure as well, one thing i forgot to do last time i ran at the track, not helping my super horrible 60' times. And I see what injuneer is saying, it doesn't make any sense with those numbers to me either. If thats what it is, then it's what it is, still doesn't make sense to me!

[fastTa]

Just because something doesn't make sense to you does not mean that is not true or otherwise accurate.

I think some of you guys are missing the fact of the significant differences between tracks for one. The elevation differences alone can create significant differences in times. Not to mention how level the track is, track preparation, track material, track condition, etc. Also not to mention the significant variances of performance from one car to the other.

Just because some people can't run similar times with their stock setup at their local track, don't discount the fact that other people may have the car and the right track conditions to do so at their local track.

[Joe 1320]

I pulled out a few timeslips.......

When bone stock:

R/T .579
60' 2.121
1/8 et 9.0
1/8 sp 80.097
¼ et 13.878
¼ sp 101.057


Last modded pass:

R/T .577
60' 2.019
1/8 et 8.547
1/8 sp 86.110
1/4 et 13.031
1/4 sp 107.860


As you can see, the 1/8th mile speed is very much in line with the 1/4 mile ET and speed. There must be something seriously wrong with the trap speed originally quoted. Variables don't add up as the 1/8th mile trap speed is easily 12-14 mph low compared to what a low to mid 14 sec 1/4 mile pass would allude to. 64 mph in the 1/8th is not good......

Not only that, take note of my modded 1/8th mile ET vs. the 1/4 mile ET. If the Steeda is running high 7s, you aren't going to catch him with simply better traction. I'm not sure I buy the ET either. Mine was running a 9.0 and was a stock dual cat Ram Air car that was likely quicker than a stock 94 133,000 mile formula. Actually, the only thing I migh be inclined to agree with is the crappy 60' time as with poor tires, these won't launch. Your numbers are so far out of whack they do not make sense. Also:

In December I paid $3,200 for my 94' Formula with 135,000miles, T-Tops, Leather, A/C, Factory Cd, New Tires, Power everything, A-4 w/performance mode, 2.73s. The worst part of the car is a slightly below average paint job.

Now you've got less miles than when you bought it and with 2.73s I don't see the ET happening.......


The fact is you could be running uphill, in thin air, the timing equipment could be faulty, the car could be nosing over due to a leanout, the moon's gravitational force was 180º opposed, Jimmy Hoffa's dead body could be in the trunk..........

[thomas]

That sounds like a good possibility. The track could be uneven?

[gimp19]

I know what your saying, the time and mph dont seem right to me either. The reason my car had more miles on it in that post then in my sig is cause I havnt changed my sig since I bought the car. The mileage in the post is from the time I posted witch was a couple months after. I'd gladly scan and post my time slips but I'm not sure if my picture host is gonna work right, I'll give it a try.

[gimp19]

Just a thought anyoe think those could be 10th mile numbers? On my time slips it says 1/8mile but I've ever heard any official word on how big the track actually is.

[Joe 1320]

I would say most likely the "6" in your speed is a printer error and should say "8". That is the one number that if changed makes the speed more consistant with the purported ET. The 60' still doesn't make sense and neither does the time in general for a stock formula. Oh well.....

[Injuneer]

Gimp:

Please let me make one thing perfectly clear..... my whole purpose in "questioning" your numbers was to make sure that they were of value to you. After 40 years of drag racing, you can spot "anomalies" pretty quickly. I was just trying to point out that there was a SEEMING inconsistancy, and as you can see, I'm not the only one who felt that way.

It was not my intent to question your honesty in any way, shape or form, and if you took my post that way, I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE. Honestly, I was just trying to help. There may have been a logical explanation, and hearing it would have provided me with one more fragement of info to add to my "data base".

I've had to defend my own numbers..... "if you can run 11.5@117MPH NA, how come you only ran 11.1@128MPH with a 125-shot..... did you have traction problems and spin all the way". Answer..... two different setups... rear axle ratio, tires launch technique.... the fact that the nitrous was set not to activate until 5,000rpm (that's the convertor flash stall, at 800 lb-ft, with a 300-shot), etc. I don't take these questions as criticisms or challenges... just take them as people who are trying to understand the sport a little better, or trying to help me run a little better.

Let's take it to the 1/4-mile track, and see what it will do..... .

[fastTa]

I pulled out a few timeslips.......

When bone stock:

R/T .579
60' 2.121
1/8 et 9.0
1/8 sp 80.097
¼ et 13.878
¼ sp 101.057


Last modded pass:

R/T .577
60' 2.019
1/8 et 8.547
1/8 sp 86.110
1/4 et 13.031
1/4 sp 107.860

Joe, do you think you could post a scan of these 2 timeslips. It would be interesting to have a look. Thanks.

[tclelland]

Calling out a moderator??? I smell trouble in your future.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

Calling out a moderator??? I smell trouble in your future.

Oh, come on... don't be an over-reactionary. People can ask for clarification without "calling someone out".

However, I am way over my head with this debate, so I'm not even gonna touch this one...

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

I pulled out a few timeslips.......

When bone stock:

R/T .579
60' 2.121
1/8 et 9.0
1/8 sp 80.097
¼ et 13.878
¼ sp 101.057


Last modded pass:

R/T .577
60' 2.019
1/8 et 8.547
1/8 sp 86.110
1/4 et 13.031
1/4 sp 107.860

I also pulled out a few timeslips:

60 2.206
330 5.860
1/8 8.733
MPH 86.38
1000 11.175
1/4 13.239
MPH 109.52


60 2.192
330 5.859
1/8 8.736
MPH 86.34
1000 11.182
1/4 13.259
MPH 108.91


60 2.184
330 5.790
1/8 8.668
MPH 86.36
1000 11.116
1/4 13.185
MPH 109.23

....not sure if this proves anything... I'll let the math guys crunch the numbers, I am tired.