NFB: Kerry's speech -- thoughts?

[TraceZ]

BTW... It was under the previous administration that the CIA was gutted and had its hands tied. It was reformed so far as it was not allowed to pay off known criminals to gain information any more.

Ask yourself how many non-criminals know potential global terrorist plans? People that are involved enough to know those things are pretty typically criminals. And we wonder why our intelligence was bad?

Smart, huh?

[markd79ta]

Misinformation is an epidemic right now. Many major news outlets are editorializing their factual work in an effort to smear Bush. Moore made a movie lying about it all, and people actually believe it.

If Bush plans to win this election he needs to somehow overcome the misinformation. He need to address the people in prime time and explain exactly what happenned to America and why in the last 4 years. Starting with the .com bust, and 9/11 and the WMD/terror threat. He need to tell us about the information he was presented with and make clear his choices. He need to come to a level the average American can come to terms with and show he did the right thing.

In a 1/2 hour public address he could put to rest many misconceptions. There are of course those who are bound and determined to hate him no matter what. There is no making those people happy.

It is unbelievable that some people would deny this threat exists. We did that for so many years and it bit us in the *** with 9/11. The old saying always stands true, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. I know that nobody wants to hear about threats and terrorism. Nobody wants to see others die in a foreign land. Unfortunately, we don't always have a choice. Moore, a prescribed socialist zealot, is really doing this country a disservice by passing off his own editorial as fact. It is really a shame that people will buy into this type of propaganda to discredit an administration who is doing its darndest to act. Remember, the administration is not backing down based on a popularity contest. Bush is already on record as saying he won't back down even if it costs him the election. I would be far more concerned about an administration who changed their policy based on political whim.-

[Jeff_in_Atl]

I keep hearing people say there is no connection between 9/11 and Al-Queda. for those people go to www.9-11commission.gov and download the report. Look on page 66 of the report (page 83 of the PDF file). Here is but 1 example of there being a definite connection.

Vice Chairman of the 9/11 Panel Lee Hamilton says "There were connections between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's government. We don't disagree with that. What we have said is that we don't have any evidence of a cooperative or a collaborative relationship between Saddam Hussein's government and these al-Qaeda operatives with regard to attacks on the United States." Which is what George Bush and his administration has said from day 1.

If you would like some more examples of the connection between Saddam and Al-Queada, read this book.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

As for the WMDs, To my knowledge there has been about a dozen mustard gas artillery shells and 1 shell filled with about 4 liters of saran gas. It takes about 15 mls to kill someone. Do the math 4000mls/.015mls. That is enough to kill 266,666 people. If that is not a WMD, I don't know what is. It doesn't matter when it was made. It was found in Iraq. Do you believe that Saddam made just 1 of these? Where are the rest of them. A lawyer asks you at a trial, answer yes or no, have WMDs been found in Iraq. Yes or no. The answer is yes. End of story.

Here is an interesting site referring to sKerry's time as a swift boat captain. http://www.swiftvets.com

As for sKerry's spending plans, If his plan for socialized medicine is passed, it will cost about 1 trillion dollars a year to fund. That is equivalent to every single person 18 or over paying about $2000 a year more in taxes.

[Nightrage]

I just graduated high school and these schools are totally one sided. I haven't met one person that graduated with me that would vote for Bush. The schools did nothing but tell us about the bad things he did all while glorifying EVERYTHING that Kerry did. It's not fair. These kids hate Bush and they don't even know why they hate him. Aren't schools there to give you information and allow you to make your own decisions based on that information? All they did was for the most part, force us to hate Bush. I'm not interested in politics as you can never know for sure who's lying and who's telling the truth but even i can see that Bush has done at least SOMETHING right. Stupid schools.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

Oh yea, I didn't listen to sKerry's speech. My stomach wasn't up to it.

Like him or not, I have been trying to figure out where he stands (except for hating Bush). From what I can figure out, his policy for how he would handle Iraq isn't much different than the way Bush is handling it. Does anybody have any more info on this?

As for the economy, he wants to get rid of the 3 tax cuts that got this economy out of a recession. I can't see how this will do anything but slow the economy down.

He wants to tax the higher income earners more. This is a bit misleading. This is trying to divide the nation into higher income and lower income earners. My wife is an accountant and she understands this stuff more than me. About 80% of all businesses are privately owned businesses. These businesses have to report their income of the business on the owners personal tax return. So if a business earns a net of $500,000 a year, The owner takes $100,000 for his salary. The other $400,000 goes to pay employees, rent, electric bill, water bill, raw materials, etc. The owner has to put down on his taxes that he earned $600,000 that year. That's $500,000 plus his personal take out of $600,000. I don't get that but that is what I was told. Well anyway sKerry wants anyone with an income over $200,000 to have a much higher tax because they are rich. Keep in mind the owner of our example owner took $100,000 out of the business but he is taxed at the rate of $600,000. So lets say the tax rate goes up by 5%. $600,000 to 5% =$30,000. So what does the owner do. Do you think he is going to cut his pay $30,000? He can't reduce his rent or electric bill or raw material bill. All he can do is reduce his staff. Someone will get fired. Now you tell me how this policy is going to "create jobs". You are going to see unemployment go through the roof. A lot of people will loose their jobs if this happens. Reagan reduced the tax rate for the higher income earners from something like 70% to 38% in the early 80s. This is what started the major economic growth of the 1980s. Reagan new that the tax cut would allow 80% of all businesses to hire more people and expand. Pretty dog gone smart if you ask me.

[markd79ta]

I just graduated high school and these schools are totally one sided. I haven't met one person that graduated with me that would vote for Bush. The schools did nothing but tell us about the bad things he did all while glorifying EVERYTHING that Kerry did. It's not fair. These kids hate Bush and they don't even know why they hate him. Aren't schools there to give you information and allow you to make your own decisions based on that information? All they did was for the most part, force us to hate Bush. I'm not interested in politics as you can never know for sure who's lying and who's telling the truth but even i can see that Bush has done at least SOMETHING right. Stupid schools.

There are two things that you need to know about schools.

1. Public schools are government and like all government entities, they want to propagate and expand. The establishment of public education gravitates toward the political spectrum that feeds government bureaucracy.

2. Because of what was said in #1, educators are by-in-large very liberal and do something that I detest...teach kids what to think instead of how to think. I went to a private university and I was taught how to think for myself not regurgitate the opinions of those I don't agree with. I only had one professor who was very left wing and graded on his personal views and he and I didn't get along real well. In contrast I had a professor who was very left wing and a lesbian and she and I got along great because she believed in the teach how to think principle. It is a real disservice to push opinions into the heads of kids as fact instead of allowing them to form an opinion based on both sides of an argument.

Oh, this is a good one. A local school district banned teachers from teaching any of the specifics of 9/11. ...but diversity and cultural inclusion is OK. NICE!!!

[aschroeger]

I think after reading all this, its a safe assumption that Politics and War are two dangerous subjects on this board

[markd79ta]

As for the economy, he wants to get rid of the 3 tax cuts that got this economy out of a recession. I can't see how this will do anything but slow the economy down.

He wants to tax the higher income earners more. This is a bit misleading. This is trying to divide the nation into higher income and lower income earners.

Oh, yes...the rich don't pay their fair share argument never mind that fact that a very small percentage pay the vast majority of taxes collected. Plus they always fail to mention that investment creates jobs...no investment creates nothing. It is crazy. I remember this from '93 when the Clinton administration and congress raised taxes on the so-called "rich". I made 27k a year and I was hammered with the capitol gain increase because I was responsible enough to invest the money my grandmother left me. Hmmmm, maybe efficiency and eliminating redundant and unnecessary programs and services should be the message. It is ridiculous that we get a few cents of benefit on every tax dollar spent.

[Camaro4-2]

wow a political thread thats risky....

all i can say is If Kerry gets elected I might just move to Ontario.

[DJ Taso]

I think after reading all this, its a safe assumption that Politics and War are two dangerous subjects on this board

I have a feeling this is going to start a lot of debates and arguments. Someone's gonna have to bring out the key soon.

I vote Ken for President!

[TraceZ]

There are two things that you need to know about schools.

1. Public schools are government and like all government entities, they want to propagate and expand. The establishment of public education gravitates toward the political spectrum that feeds government bureaucracy.

2. Because of what was said in #1, educators are by-in-large very liberal and do something that I detest...teach kids what to think instead of how to think. I went to a private university and I was taught how to think for myself not regurgitate the opinions of those I don't agree with. I only had one professor who was very left wing and graded on his personal views and he and I didn't get along real well. In contrast I had a professor who was very left wing and a lesbian and she and I got along great because she believed in the teach how to think principle. It is a real disservice to push opinions into the heads of kids as fact instead of allowing them to form an opinion based on both sides of an argument.

Oh, this is a good one. A local school district banned teachers from teaching any of the specifics of 9/11. ...but diversity and cultural inclusion is OK. NICE!!!

Teachers are typically good people, it is their unions that suck. They are against school vouchers because it would mean an employment shake-up in the public school system. The unions support the democrats, thus we have the democrats killing every effort to change to the voucher system and give parents the ability to choose a better school. Screw what is best for the kids. Opps, sorry I ranted off topic. darn it.

[Bug Lover]

Taxes

Hi - I'm the accountant wife. It is sorta like Jeff said, but not exactly.

Most companies are run as sole proprietorships and the owner has to pay all taxes related to the company's net income on his/her taxes. Some companies are formed as Subchapter S Corporations. These companies do not pay taxes like a big corporation, but the shareholders pay the taxes on the company's net income on their personal returns. There is a tax advantage in this, as regular corporations pay high tax rates, followed by the shareholders paying taxes on the dividends. Also, with an S Corporation, the tax rate is determined by the person's overall income. Someone who makes $400,000 a year and is 25% owner of an S Corporation is going to pay more taxes on the income from the business than the person who only makes $40,000 a year and is 25% owner of the same corporation. So there are tax advantages to running a company as an S Corporation. Prior to Reagan's era, this was not the case.

If businesses have to start paying more in taxes, then there will be less money for the business owner to put back into the business to maintain its operation and growth. By lowering taxes, the business owner has money to grow other businesses.

I have been a Dixie-crat for years, but I'm planning to vote for Bush because he makes a heckuva lot more sense than Kerry. If Lieberman had won the Democratic nomination, I'd be torn, but right now the last thing our country needs is a leadership change.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

wow a political thread thats risky....

all i can say is If Kerry gets elected I might just move to Ontario.

There won't be any need.... he'll bring Ontario to you.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

I have a feeling this is going to start a lot of debates and arguments. Someone's gonna have to bring out the key soon.

I vote Ken for President!

I am going to start arguing that no one is arguing here

[markd79ta]

If businesses have to start paying more in taxes, then there will be less money for the business owner to put back into the business to maintain its operation and growth. By lowering taxes, the business owner has money to grow other businesses.

I think this a fundamental principle that a lot of people don't understand. The concept of re-investment is incredibly important for job creation. I really don't want to go back to pre-80s policy...scary time period.