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    Iran, is a big backer of terrorism, and is considered one of the Axis of evil. If you look at a map of the Middle East, then you will see the “Big Picture”. Stuff that Bush can’t talk about, but if you know what to look for, you will see it. We have Afghanistan (and Pakistan for that matter), on one side of Iran, and we have Iraq on the other! We have Iran squeezed in the middle. Pretty good strategy so far, wouldn’t you say. Look at Libya, another well know backer of terrorism. They decided that they didn’t want the US to turn their country into an Afghanistan or an Iraq, so they “laid down their arms” without anyone firing shot. They gave up ALL of their nuclear weapons programs, and their WMD programs, and have decided to fully cooperate with the US. Quaddafi was rewarded by having trade sanctions lifted on his country. It’s a win win situation for everyone. The key word here is WIN.
    Iran, just this week is starting to show a lean towards cooperation, by beginning to start negotiations on their nuclear weapons issue. They haven’t caved in completely yet, but we have to be patient, because things take a little time. By setting the example in Afghanistan and Iraq, the world sees what we can do in this day and age. We can only do this with a Republican leadership though. Not with a Bill Clinton, or an Al Gore, or a John Kerry. They just won’t do what needs to be done. They don’t have the integrity nor the will power. They can’t help it though, because it’s the liberal way.

    If anybody is going to reinstate the draft, it would be the Democrats and John Kerry. He will make the excuse that it is necessary in order to clean up the mess that George Bush made. He will quote the words recently stated by Paul Bremer, whenever he said that when he arrived in Iraq, there “were not enough troops on the ground“. These words were taken out of context, but Kerry still likes to bring it up. Kerry keeps talking about increasing the number of troops, so how is he planning on doing that in an all volunteer army?

    Bush believes in the technology that helps CUT the number of troops, and has talked quite a bit about increased technology. Think back to the Patriot missiles (which Kerry voted against) in the first Gulf War. Imagine the destruction that would have taken place in Israel from Saddam’s scud missiles. Imagine how much destruction our military would have suffered. Technology is the way to go. Unmanned drones, and unmanned ground vehicles, are saving lives, and gaining even more intel than ever before. Reagan was brilliant with his Strategic Defense Initiative (Star Wars Program). I agree that some of it was a bluff, but some of it wasn’t, and he had every intention of completely developing it to its full potential, and the Soviets knew this. Now look where that got us-the end of the Cold War!

    You can only accomplish so much in less than 4 years, and I don’t think anyone could honestly say that Bush and America for that matter, has not accomplished an enormous amount. In fact, what we have accomplished is staggering. Can you imagine if Al Gore had actually won the last election. I don’t even want to think about it.
    Thank God for George Bush.



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    SO when are we going to go to Sauidi Araba, YOu know 15 of the terriorest were from Saudi but well still dont go there. What about Iseral, Are we just going to sit back while 10 serb civilans are killed ever day by Iserals Army. What about North Korea, They are the only nation in the world that has the resorces to go to war with us.... and it seems like they want to. I think all you Bush fans need to get your head out of the middle east. That is just the tip of the people in the world that are dangerous and want to get at the united states.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Squat13
      SO when are we going to go to Sauidi Araba, YOu know 15 of the terriorest were from Saudi but well still dont go there. What about Iseral, Are we just going to sit back while 10 serb civilans are killed ever day by Iserals Army. What about North Korea, They are the only nation in the world that has the resorces to go to war with us.... and it seems like they want to. I think all you Bush fans need to get your head out of the middle east. That is just the tip of the people in the world that are dangerous and want to get at the united states.
      Correct. I could not agree with you more.

      The problem is, John Kerry isn't going to accomplish this either.

      I've said it all along, Bush is the lesser of the two evils, which is why I am voting for him.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Squat13
        SO when are we going to go to Sauidi Arabia, YOu know 15 of the terriorest were from Saudi but well still dont go there. What about Iseral, Are we just going to sit back while 10 serb civilans are killed ever day by Iserals Army. What about North Korea, They are the only nation in the world that has the resorces to go to war with us.... and it seems like they want to. I think all you Bush fans need to get your head out of the middle east. That is just the tip of the people in the world that are dangerous and want to get at the united states.
        First of all the situation of Iraq is a continuation of the 1991 Gulf War from where Saddam invaded Kuwait. The US supported the state that was invaded. Saudi Arabia, North Korea (North Korea invaded south Korea in 1950 I think. The US supported the state that was invaded.), Israel (was invaded in I think 1967 by Egypt. The US supported the state that was invaded), and Iran (in 1980 Iran invaded Iraq. The US supported the state that was invaded) have not done that since the situations listed above that the US took care of (except Israel. they kicked butt without any help).

        "10 serb civilans are killed" you must have meant to say Palestinians. The Palestinians are the ones that keep attacking Israel. The Israelis have asked for peace many many times but the Palestinians keep breaking the peace by killing non combative Israelis. Israel targets only the people that are attacking them. Yes some innocent people have been caught in the cross fire but the Palestinians are not targeting Israeli officials. They are targeting non combative civilians which I think is also against the Geneva Conventions.

        North Korea's nuclear program was supposed to have been handled by the Clinton administration and Jimmy Carter back in 1994 but they totally botched it up. This situation had to be addressed by the Bush administration. Bush has gathered 6 major countries to negotiate with North Korea. Why in the heck Kerry wants it to just be the US and Korea negotiating is really beyond me. The UN hasn't done Squat13 (kidding about adding the 13 LOL) to deal with any situation anywhere in the world in the last 4 years. If the UN were an honest organization, they would be coming down on North Korea, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia (but they are getting better at addressing terrorist), Sudan, and Palestinians.

        BTW there is no need to add an insult to your post. I think you'll find that most of the people on here are very knowledgeable on foreign affairs.
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        • #5
          I'm currently in Kabul, Afghanistan. The people here really appreciate all that we have done under GW's leadership to remove the Taliban from power.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Squat13
            SO when are we going to go to Sauidi Araba, YOu know 15 of the terriorest were from Saudi but well still dont go there. What about Iseral, Are we just going to sit back while 10 serb civilans are killed ever day by Iserals Army. What about North Korea, They are the only nation in the world that has the resorces to go to war with us.... and it seems like they want to. I think all you Bush fans need to get your head out of the middle east. That is just the tip of the people in the world that are dangerous and want to get at the united states.
            You honestly going to imply that the Liberals pussies would support some sort of action against all of the above enemies at the same time? No, if we (the US the Republicans) did that, they would be ing and whining about the money being spent, the number of casualties, and the poor job that Bush is doing. Dead babies from US bombs would be all over the news. Richard Gere, Sean Penn, and the Dixie Chicks would be pleading for the US to stop the insanity. Their whole agenda involves complaining and finding fault with WHATEVER the president does, and if he does what they want, they will reverse their position just to disagree. Kerry, Clinton, and Carter just want to FEEL GOOD and SAY WE TRIED TO DO SOMETHING, so they would send a few troops over there as sacrificial lambs to the slaughter, without full support, without purpose, and without resolution to finish the job - just like Bosnia, Mogadishu, etc... and meanwhile ignoring terrorist attacks to our military bases, to the US Cole, and to the Trade Center would go unanswered. You got to be freakin kidding me.

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            • #7
              A few links

              Translations of Arabic TV

              Jihad Watch

              David Warren


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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jeff 95 Z28
                The Palestinians are the ones that keep attacking Israel. The Israelis have asked for peace many many times but the Palestinians keep breaking the peace by killing non combative Israelis. Israel targets only the people that are attacking them. Yes some innocent people have been caught in the cross fire but the Palestinians are not targeting Israeli officials. They are targeting non combative civilians which I think is also against the Geneva Conventions.

                Jeff, the thought that the Israelis are the poor, innocent ones is straight up wrong. If you honestly believe that they do nothing wrong or nothing to provoke the Palestinians, you need to re-evaluate your news sources. We have no business supporting Israel and claiming to oppose terrorism and spread freedom. Neither side in that conflict deserves our support.
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                • #9
                  I'm currently in Kabul, Afghanistan. The people here really appreciate all that we have done under GW's leadership to remove the Taliban from power.
                  There is just no denying it, GW has made decisions that have produced the beginnings of a better world for us and our children. The strategy that his administration is using, is as clear as anything could be for me, and I know that it is for everyone else who keeps up with current and past events. As far as Iran and North Korea goes, You would think that Kerry believes that we should invade those countries. Huh? We didn’t have to invade Libya, and look what happened. Libya was our enemy 3 years ago, but now is basically and ally, along with Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan. There’s four new allies right there, so what is Kerry talking about? Get more international support? I thought that is what we were doing. Who needs France and Germany?
                  You have to set the example of success, because you can’t argue with success. Vladimir Putin, has just made the statement this week, (one of the “Allys” that Kerry keeps harping about) that “the terrorists in Iraq are not aimed at the coalition, but solely aimed to unseat Bush in the upcoming election”. This is positive sign of support coming from Russia. If Russia finally comes around and fully commits to the war on terrorism, its going to be all over for the terrorists. We will gain our objectives in Iran, and North Korea, without firing a shot. Reagan said “Peace through strength”, and he hit the nail on the head with that one. Kerry has a record of weakness, and if he (heaven forbid) happens to win the presidency, he will only be able to ride on Bush’s coat tails, because he has never personally proven any real desire to support the military, unless you want to count his 4 ½ months in Vietnam.


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jay 02 TA ws6
                    Jeff, the thought that the Israelis are the poor, innocent ones is straight up wrong. If you honestly believe that they do nothing wrong or nothing to provoke the Palestinians, you need to re-evaluate your news sources. We have no business supporting Israel and claiming to oppose terrorism and spread freedom. Neither side in that conflict deserves our support.
                    Do you believe that Israel has a right to exist?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jeff 95 Z28
                      Do you believe that Israel has a right to exist?
                      Everyone has a right to exist. Too bad those two don't believe that each other should exist. We supported Israel because we are the only country with the nerve to back up what the UN started (again...). But with what they are doing over there, which is basically a second cousin to genocide, they no longer deserve our support. I am ashamed we have any involvement in that conflict at all.
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                      • #12
                        I heard a statement by Dick Cheney this morning that said it all. He said that President Bush has a record of “Steady Purpose”. What has Kerry’s “Purpose” been? I say wealth, political gain, and power.


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jay 02 TA ws6
                          Everyone has a right to exist. Too bad those two don't believe that each other should exist. We supported Israel because we are the only country with the nerve to back up what the UN started (again...). But with what they are doing over there, which is basically a second cousin to genocide, they no longer deserve our support. I am ashamed we have any involvement in that conflict at all.
                          That's not true. Israel has offered the Palestinians their own state. They offered to pull completely out of Gaza and give them half of Jerusalem and honor their territorial rights as a state. Yasser Arafat refused the offer. He wants all of Israel. There is no compromise to a position like that. The only things the Muslims want from the Jewish people is for them to die. That's it.

                          Look the Muslims have Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, Syria and a half a dozen other little states like Yemen. All the Jewish people have is Israel and the Muslims want it too and they want all of the Jews known to them as infidels dead. What do you want Israel to do? The only solution the Muslims will accept is for them to die. The US has a general policy of supporting Israel because if we don't the Muslims will kill them all and the US doesn't want anybody to die from an aggressor. Clinton and Bush have tried several times to get the Palestinians to stop killing the Israelis. The Israelis have tried to stop the killings several times but the Palestinians keep killing them. Israel has tried to take out the Hamas leaders to try and stop their innocent non combative citizens from being killed. What would you do if your were in charge of Israel? The Palestinians won't stop killing your people. They won't negotiate for peace. what do you do?
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                          • #14
                            Arafat stated the other day, that he supports Kerry in the up coming election.


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ONLNTM5
                              Arafat stated the other day, that he supports Kerry in the up coming election.
                              That should be a big clue.
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