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  • #16
    The clutch fork pivot ball (actually a "t" bolt) is mounted on the front of the tranny. The slave cylinder is mounted on an aluminum cup, on the bellhousing, right next to the tranny, facing forward. When you push on the pedal, the slave cylinder pushes the outer end of the clutch fork forward, meaning the inside end of the fork "pulls back" on the T/O bearing to release the clutch.

    LT1 T56:



    The T56 used in the LS1 cars was changed. There is no fork. There is a hydraulic slave cylinder mounted on the front of the tranny, concentric with the input shaft. When you step on the clutch, the slave cylinder "pushes" forward on the T/O bearing to release the clutch.

    You can't really compare a Corvette tranny... they didn't use the T56 with the C4 LT1's, and the T56 in the C5 LS1's is mounted on the rear differential housing.
    Fred

    381ci all-forged stroker - 10.8:1 - CNC LT4 heads/intake - CC solid roller - MoTeC engine management - 8 LS1 coils - 58mm TB - 78# injectors - 300-shot dry nitrous - TH400 - Gear Vendor O/D - Strange 12-bolt - 4.11's - AS&M headers - duals - Corbeau seat - AutoMeter gauges - roll bar - Spohn suspension - QA1 shocks - a few other odds 'n ends. 800HP/800lb-ft at the flywheel, on a 300-shot. 11.5 @ 117MPH straight motor

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    • #17
      Oh ok....that's exactly what I meant. The way you worded it, it sounded like you were saying the actuator pulls the fork, which it doesn't. It pushes the fork and pulls the throwout. Just wanted to make sure my knowledge was up to date. Thanks
      1995 Pontiac Formula Firebird 383 Stroker 11.5:1 compression, ASM Thottle body, Custom Grind Comp Cam, MSD ignition, BMR strut, k-member, Upper and Lower control arms, rear control arms, and still a work in progress.

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      • #18
        Is the LS-1 T-56, stronger than the LT-1 T-56?

        A swap can still be done, just the bellhousings are different, correct...? The bellhousing bolt pattens should be the same as any SBC, or BBC, "and V6's" just the LS-1 bellhousings are different due to the T/O and fork?
        John Wagner "Owner"
        D.E. Engine Performance & Fabrication
        1995 Formula

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        • #19
          didnt thay used some kind of ZF 6-speed in early C4 and a 4+3 Borg Warner in the later ones
          1967 VW Bug 2.3L Ford SVO Inline 4 w/ Turbo, Sand-Drag VW Trans Axle, Race this Import.
          2001 Dodge Ram 1500 Totally Stock

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          • #20
            The "4+3" tranny was built by Doug Nash, and featured an electronic O/D to give it 7 gear ratios. O/D could not be engaged with 1st gear, but could be engaged in 2, 3, and 4. Doug Nash had bought the rights from Warner for the B-W T10 4-speed, strengthened the case, and added the electronic O/D tranny as a seperate unit bolted on the back of the T10. It was used in the 1984 - 1988 models. It wasn't much of a trans.



            The German-made ZF (Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen) 6-speed was introduced in 1989, and stayed in the car until the last C4 was built in 1996. The gear ratios were virtually identical to the ones used in the 4th Gen F-Body T56, and it had the same unwanted "skip-shift" feature, except is was called CAGS.
            Fred

            381ci all-forged stroker - 10.8:1 - CNC LT4 heads/intake - CC solid roller - MoTeC engine management - 8 LS1 coils - 58mm TB - 78# injectors - 300-shot dry nitrous - TH400 - Gear Vendor O/D - Strange 12-bolt - 4.11's - AS&M headers - duals - Corbeau seat - AutoMeter gauges - roll bar - Spohn suspension - QA1 shocks - a few other odds 'n ends. 800HP/800lb-ft at the flywheel, on a 300-shot. 11.5 @ 117MPH straight motor

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            • #21
              Originally posted by DarkEnhancement
              Is the LS-1 T-56, stronger than the LT-1 T-56?

              A swap can still be done, just the bellhousings are different, correct...? The bellhousing bolt pattens should be the same as any SBC, or BBC, "and V6's" just the LS-1 bellhousings are different due to the T/O and fork?
              I believe the bolt pattern on the back of the LS1 block it totally different than the earlier SBC type.
              Rob B 95Z A4 Tech Page (Part numbers / locations, how to's, schematics, DTC's...) Home Page - shbox.com

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Rob B (shoebox)
                I believe the bolt pattern on the back of the LS1 block it totally different than the earlier SBC type.
                It dosent matter, the T56 uses a detachable bell housing (just like ever outher manual transmission) unlike the 4l60E (and most automatics built by chevy).
                Im sure that you can get the LS1 tranny to work on a Lt1, I just might be a little expensive. There are many differences, but if a SBC can be dropped in a fiero, or a 2.3L FORD bolts to a VW Transaxle, Im sure that some how a LS1 T56 will bolt to a LT1.
                1967 VW Bug 2.3L Ford SVO Inline 4 w/ Turbo, Sand-Drag VW Trans Axle, Race this Import.
                2001 Dodge Ram 1500 Totally Stock

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                • #23
                  I just saw a guy on cardomain.com that has the red interior.He has got a 95 white T/A. http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/333603. Maybe you two should talk...
                  95 T/A LT-1 6 speed,Black leather,T-Top,CAGs disabled,Ported and polished MAF,Polished vortec intake pipe,relocated air intake senser,Flowmaster

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Squat13
                    It dosent matter, the T56 uses a detachable bell housing (just like ever outher manual transmission) unlike the 4l60E (and most automatics built by chevy).
                    Im sure that you can get the LS1 tranny to work on a Lt1, I just might be a little expensive. There are many differences, but if a SBC can be dropped in a fiero, or a 2.3L FORD bolts to a VW Transaxle, Im sure that some how a LS1 T56 will bolt to a LT1.
                    You cannot use an LS1 T56 on a LT1. The length of the input shaft is different as well and the front face of the transmission. The LS1 has no pivot pin for the clutch fork.
                    Tracy
                    2002 C5 M6 Convertible
                    1994 Z28 M6 Convertible
                    Current Mods:
                    SLP Ultra-Z functional ramair, SS Spoiler, STB, SFCs, Headers, Clutch, Bilstein Shocks, and TB Airfoil. 17x9 SS rims with Goodyear tires, 160F T-Stat, MSD Blaster Coil, Taylor wires, Hurst billet shifter, Borla catback with QTP e-cutout, Tuned PCM, 1LE Swaybars, 1LE driveshaft, ES bushings, White gauges, C5 front brakes, !CAGS, Bose/Soundstream audio, CST leather interior, synthetic fluids

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