N*F*B: This is hilarious!

[Nightrage]

On the lighter side, I wish Michael Moore would snuff himself, then we could make a documentary about it. We could dissect him and see what junk food he stuffed himself with on his last 10 or 12 meals and make fun of him for living most the 7 deadly sins - Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Lust, Anger, Greed, & Sloth.

Can't we execute him for treason or something? Maybe just deport him to England or Canada which he loves so much? Anyone go to his website lately? It's disgusting. He says "The kids are all right". Yeah, the stupid kids that voted for Kerry not because they agreed with how he stands politically (if you can figure out exactly where he stands politically than you're a better person than i am as i don't think John Kerry even knows where he stands) but because it was the popular or "cool" thing to do. This one guy that i work with seems to think that Bush is going to issue a draft. He can't seem to catch on to this simple little issue- John Kerry said he was against the draft. He changes his mind every other minute so this leads me to believe that he would eventually have one of his infamous changes of heart and........you got it, he'd be for the draft. Bush has never done anything to be popular. Millions of people protest him yet he never changes course which is one of the main reasons that i believe in him. He says he's against the draft so damn it, i believe him and i trust him.

[alenstein]

Lets not jump into conclusions that suicide is still under investigation. The guy was from Georgia, had problems with his girlfriend. Here's an article :

New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com
Love woe in WTC suicide
BY MAKI BECKER in Athens, Ga. and ADAM LISBERG in New York
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Monday, November 8th, 2004

The Georgia man who killed himself at Ground Zero was upset about President Bush's reelection - but his biggest problem may have been his double life, a source told the Daily News yesterday.

Andrew Veal, 25, was engaged to be married to an Iowa college student, whom he was supposed to see at her sister's wedding in Seattle this weekend. But Veal also had a girlfriend in Athens, Ga., where he lived, sources said.

When cops found his body in lower Manhattan's hallowed ground Saturday morning, they found a note to his girlfriend saying she was "too good" for him, a source said. The note also included a reference to Bush's victory, the source said.

Friends and co-workers said they never had a clue Veal was suicidal.

"I think he wanted it to be dramatic," said one 23-year-old Athens friend. "The election was just a catalyst."

Veal was a peaceful, liberal vegetarian who hated guns, never got worked up about politics or 9/11 and seemed content, friends said.

"He doesn't even have friends who have guns," said Mary Anne Mauney, Veal's boss at a University of Georgia survey research lab. "We're all trying to understand, and nobody does."

Veal and his roommates held an Election Night party in their clapboard house near the University of Georgia campus, where they expected to celebrate a John Kerry victory.

But the day after Bush won, Veal bought a shotgun in an Athens store and drove to New York, a source said, where he went on a spending spree with his girlfriend's credit card.

While his mom and his fiancée tried desperately to reach him by phone, he called an Athens restaurant where he worked part-time and said he was in New York on Thursday.

He was found Saturday morning when a worker at the Millenium Hotel across Church St. from Ground Zero saw him lying on a concrete structure inside the gated and guarded perimeter.

Police from the Port Authority, which controls the 16-acre site, found Veal's car nearby and are reconstructing his movements, spokesman Steve Coleman said.

Among their concerns: How did a shotgun-toting man slip unnoticed into the guarded area - a solemn tourist destination that is also a major rail hub with entrances to Hudson River PATH tunnels?

PA cops and private security guards watch the site, and Coleman would not say if surveillance cameras caught Veal's movements. He asked anyone who may have seen anything unusual Friday night to contact PA police.

Mauney said Veal's mother was in a "terrible" condition after learning of her son's death, and his friends could not fathom why he chose to end it all at Ground Zero.

"He was just an incredibly wonderful person - sensitive, passionate, caring and kind. I'll miss him very much," Mauney said. "As to the whys or hows, nobody knows."




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Good ol Political speach by Bush at Ground Zero Booo #$#% hooo, NY made its decision this election.
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One thing is bothering me first WTC bombing, just 30 days after Clinton took over office, and who was in power 30 days prior, senior Bush, how nobody is talking about that, he didn't do anything to make America aware of terrorism in the late 80 's and early 90's, he was more concern about Iraq. Clearly you can't blaime Clinton administration for that one. Seems everyone forgot about the first act of terrorism on american soil .

[alenstein]

Can't we execute him for treason or something? Maybe just deport him to England or Canada which he loves so much? Anyone go to his website lately? It's disgusting. He says "The kids are all right". Yeah, the stupid kids that voted for Kerry not because they agreed with how he stands politically (if you can figure out exactly where he stands politically than you're a better person than i am as i don't think John Kerry even knows where he stands) but because it was the popular or "cool" thing to do. This one guy that i work with seems to think that Bush is going to issue a draft. He can't seem to catch on to this simple little issue- John Kerry said he was against the draft. He changes his mind every other minute so this leads me to believe that he would eventually have one of his infamous changes of heart and........you got it, he'd be for the draft. Bush has never done anything to be popular. Millions of people protest him yet he never changes course which is one of the main reasons that i believe in him. He says he's against the draft so damn it, i believe him and i trust him.

Nightrage ,England is our major supporter and backer in the Iraq war, at least Tony Blair is,I dont think Moore is too fond of that.
2nd. Michael moore is entitled to his opinion, and the only reason you heard his pinion is becasue he is rich and he had the conections to make this movie big. Trust me you would never care or hear about him if it was an independent film on some distant cable channel.
3rd are you going to execute directors like Marvin J. Chomsky, John Erman,David Greene,Gilbert Mose for making the seriies "Roots" in 1977, which shows slavery in america. What about "Apocalypse now" anti Vietnam movie or even the "Platoon". How about "the Passion of the Christ" , controversial yes, but no one is demanding Gibson to be linched for it.
Enjoy your basic rights and let no one tell you that you have to give up some for national security.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

But if you want to be realistic...blame the guy himself for not picking his head up, stopping feeling sorry for himself, getting whatever help he needed and to see how things turned out. "Driving people to commit suicide." Come on.

Absolutely.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

I don't know what happened in here... maybe I should have edited the part about the suicide out, because that's obviously a serious topic.

This thread was supposed to make people laugh at how pathetic some people are that they actually need clinical psychological help all because a political figure was re-elected.... maybe the mods should just close it....... I didn't mean to insight this.

[ONLNTM5]

I hate to be a downer and bring this back up, but Severe depression causes suicide in the majority of cases. In other words, severe depression can result in the death of the person who has it. Severe depression is an illness, just like any other illness, and can cause death. You would have to have some experience with it to understand. I am not talking about sadness over your pet dying, or breaking up with your girl friend. I am talking about a sickness that involves the inability of a person to produce the proper chemicals and hormones in their body, and then not being diagnosed and helped in time to save their life. Nowadays, depression can be successfully treated in most people, but even with treatment, some people get worse, just like with cancer. A person who commits suicide, is a person who has experienced suicidal thoughts for years, and has had the thoughts play over and over and over, so many times, that by the time that they go through with it, they are so immersed with the thought, that they are basically hypnotized by their own mind. Unless they are able stop this “broken record” of thought, they are at risk for suicide. They can’t think about anything else, not their loved ones, not anything. You shouldn’t judge those who commit suicide, and say that they are, or were selfish, or that they are a coward, because this is absolutely not true. You might as well say that a person who has cancer and dies from it, was selfish and a coward. It is the same thing! I speak from experience when I say that both severe depression and cancer, are deadly illnesses. Severe depression and cancer have touched my family, and several friends, and I know what I am talking about. This guy who committed suicide, didn’t do it because of Bush or breaking up with his girlfriend, or because he was selfish, or was a coward. He did it because he had severe depression, for whatever reason, and he died from it. Is it right to curse this man for dying from a severe illness and not curse the person who died from cancer? If you don’t understand what I am talking about, and want to explore further, both subjects can be researched on the internet, or books can bought at the bookstore. Just pray that you never experience the hell on earth that this guy, and so many millions around the world, have experienced in their lives.
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BELOW LINK
Depressive Illness -- What Is It?
Everyone experiences variations in mood -- transitory blues, disappointments, the normal grief that accompanies the loss of someone you love. But a severe or prolonged depression that interferes with the ability to function, feel pleasure, or maintain interest is not a mere case of the blues. It is an illness. Researchers have demonstrated that it results from biochemical imbalances in the brain.
Depressive Illness Is Treatable
More than 80 percent of those suffering from Depressive Illness can be treated successfully with modern medications. These medications are not habit-forming, do not produce a "high", and are not abused. Sometimes, after or concurrent with this treatment, therapy or counseling is desirable.
Millions Suffer, Few Are Treated
Depressive Illness, also referred to as Affective or Mood Disorder, attacks millions of Americans and is often fatal; yet few people are being properly treated or even diagnosed. The costs of this neglect, both in terms of human suffering and economic loss, are staggering.
A Major Unrecognized Health Problem
Depressive Illness is among the most common and destructive of illnesses prevalent in the United States today. In addition to major depression, many people suffer from manic depressive illness (bipolar disorder) which is characterized by radical mood swings from severe depression to exaggerated, inappropriate elation.
An estimated 35-40 million Americans living today will suffer from major Depressive Illness during their lives. For each person directly suffering, three or four times that number of their relatives, employees, associates, and friends will also be adversely affected.
Of those 35-40 million afflicted, a substantial percentage will commit suicide if not treated with appropriate medication.

[markd79ta]

I agree that suicide is an act of a coward, but I don't think you have any right to tell people what their priorities are. Everyone has their own. Afterall, the election isn't these people's priority, it's the future path of the country and world that this, and every election affects, that is their priority. Perhaps that Bush creates a country that people would rather kill themselves than live in says a lot.

If Kerry were to win along with a democratic congress, I would definitely be angered and filled with emotion...although, that emotion would be more revolutionary then suicidal. There are a lot of options besides suicide...really, it is kinda silly.

[markd79ta]

Suicide is serious. Obviously these people had other issues they were dealing with too, and probably some type of mental illness. It's a medical fact that most suicides have some type of mild mental illness. Having said that, it's also a fact that the Bush administration has completely divided this country. Just look at some of the Bush/Kerry and election threads that have been going on around here for the past months. I don't care how good a job a president has done, republican or democrat, a main goal should be to unite the nation, not divide it and drive people to suicide.

The country was divided long before Bush took office. We as a nation present ourselves as special interests before a government that has no limits, no ability to say no. All of our special interests and selfishness hurts those with opposing views; it is this that divides our country.

It is the Democrats stand on Anti-gunOWNER legislation that angers me.
It is the Democrats stand on Environmental Extremism that angers me.
It is the Democrats stand on Property Rights that angers me.
It is the Democrats stand on taxes and programs that anger me.
etc. etc. etc.

It is the Republicans stand on the rights of homosexuals that angers others.
It is the Republicans stand on forcing values that angers others.
It is the Republicans stand to limit government that angers others.
etc. etc. etc.

The Result = a nation divided. Kerry would have made this worse not better. Eventually, it will come to physical blows and attacks. It is just a matter of time.

[Nightrage]

Nightrage ,England is our major supporter and backer in the Iraq war, at least Tony Blair is,I dont think Moore is too fond of that.
2nd. Michael moore is entitled to his opinion, and the only reason you heard his pinion is becasue he is rich and he had the conections to make this movie big. Trust me you would never care or hear about him if it was an independent film on some distant cable channel.
3rd are you going to execute directors like Marvin J. Chomsky, John Erman,David Greene,Gilbert Mose for making the seriies "Roots" in 1977, which shows slavery in america. What about "Apocalypse now" anti Vietnam movie or even the "Platoon". How about "the Passion of the Christ" , controversial yes, but no one is demanding Gibson to be linched for it.
Enjoy your basic rights and let no one tell you that you have to give up some for national security.

He's been quoted saying something to the effect of "The dumbest Englishman is still smarter than the smartest American". I figured you guys knew that the execution thing wasn't serious. If anything, i think they should ban him from fast food establishments and buffets. He's a manipulative S.O.B. but he shouldn't be killed for it. I heard Michael Moore's opinion because my 12th grade economics teacher and my U.S. government teacher forced us to hear his opinion. I work with someone that is always telling people to read "Dude, where's my country?". You're right though. If he was an independent guy, few people would know who he his let alone care what he has to say. He's proof that with money comes power.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

He's been quoted saying something to the effect of "The dumbest Englishman is still smarter than the smartest American". I figured you guys knew that the execution thing wasn't serious. If anything, i think they should ban him from fast food establishments and buffets. He's a manipulative S.O.B. but he shouldn't be killed for it. I heard Michael Moore's opinion because my 12th grade economics teacher and my U.S. government teacher forced us to hear his opinion. I work with someone that is always telling people to read "Dude, where's my country?". You're right though. If he was an independent guy, few people would know who he his let alone care what he has to say. He's proof that with money comes power.

Your economics teacher is a proponent of Michael Moore??????????

[alenstein]

You're right on the money Nightrage, with money comes power, thus money plays a major role in politics as well.

[Kevin - Blown 95 TA]

I hate to be a downer and bring this back up, ...
Of those 35-40 million afflicted, a substantial percentage will commit suicide if not treated with appropriate medication.[/I]

Is this from too many insectisices in the salad? Too many preservatives in the McNuggets? BGH in the burger? PCBs in the bottle of Evian? Or just the stress of having 75 channels of crap on the TV and nothing to watch? Is it from Rap music? Grunge? Drugs? Alcohol? Too much violence in Video games? Broken families? Bad parenting? Jodie took your girl & gone? All of the above?

Man, EVERYBODY gets depressed. Who hasn't been depressed about getting dumped or wrecking your car or being fired or death of a loved one? An otherwise well-adjusted, healthy person deals with these problems & moves on. A lot the extreme cases you hear about are self caused due to lifestyle choices and alcohol/drug abuse, which are also diseases. And I guess you can call anything a disease these days. Maybe we can call spending too much on our cars a disease of sorts. Obsessive-compulsive disorder. I think ADD is a fictitious bunch of nonsense, too. It is caused by that timeout nonsense - Every family that I know of whose kids had it was where they spoiled the kids to death at an early age and you just knew what was coming. Doctors and shrinks need diseases like lawyers need accidents. Blaming something on a disease is just another way of avoiding taking responsibility for your actions. "Gee your honor, I didn't know what I was doing when I stabbed my wife 17 times. When I realized what I had done, I dialed 911. I really don't remember doing it." Diminished capacity from crack addiction. It's disease these days. Let's give 'em Social Security! Obesity - another fine disease. Let's give 'em Social Security! Also causes depression. Or does depression cause obesity? Maybe quitting smoking (another disease) causes obesity. Hell, of it is anybody's fault, is it?

[Nightrage]

Your economics teacher is a proponent of Michael Moore??????????

Oh man was he ever. My government class, the teacher made us research reasons for Bush to be impeached. He made us go investigate crap and then present it to the rest of the class. When we were done presenting, he'd ask "Do you think Bush should be impeached for this?". Of course since the entire class wanted to agree with the teacher, they all responded with "Um......i guess so?"

My economics teacher, WHEW! We'd spend about 10 minutes learning about some economic systems from the 1700's or something else that was completely useless and then we'd get to the Bush- bashing. He was constantly saying that we should go to Michael Moore's website, he showed us Bowling for Columbine (because it's so closely tied with economics ), he always had this website posted that showed the growing cost of the war in real time. After we saw that it was up there in the billions, he'd sit there and tell us how we should be using that money for healthcare and education and stuff. How can anyone believe Moore? Honestly, the guy is trying to to show that racism is a stupid concept and that black people aren't more dangerous than anyone else. How does he prove this? In Bowling for Columbine, Moore goes into Harlem and talks to some random guy and nothing happens to them. I'm sure that there are people just dying to rob someone in the middle of the day while they have a camera rolling on them. I feel much safer now, thanks Mike I'm not a racist. I have no problems with black people, but i've seen statistics showing that black people are more likely to commit crimes and to rape women and such. I've never met a rapist or a murderer or criminal that was black so i can't hate an entire race based on statistics. I can understand why people are afraid of people of other races though. I've passed black people on the street at night and no one has ever tried to rob me. That's my proof. I don't need a white guy with camera's on him in the middle of the day telling me that i should feel safe.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

Ask your economics teacher to show you his economics degree. I will be utterly SHOCKED if he can produce one for you.

[Nightrage]

Ask your economics teacher to show you his economics degree. I will be utterly SHOCKED if he can produce one for you.

I had him for my senior year in high school which was last year He was a real nice guy for the most part but he's pretty much a guy that's stuck as an eternal hippie. He'd play music throughout the class (sometimes he'd turn it down real low but it was always on) and it was always something in protest of the Vietnam war. Everyone liked the class because it was a nice, relaxed atmosphere. He was tenured (i think that's the term) so he always came in wearing jeans and a button down dress shirt that wasn't tucked in or anything. He showed us movies like Boiler Room and Norma Rae (worst movie EVER!!!). I learned one thing from him though- John Kerry's supporters are just like he is. They change their minds just as often. First, people thought it was about getting oil. When they realized they were idiots, they changed it to Bush waging war on Iraq to finish his fathers work. It's really interesting to hear all of the different opinions that people have though. I can respect that people voted for John Kerry. I have no problem with that. What i do have a problem with is people who voted for him not because they agree with his political views but because rather than research any of the good things that George Bush has done, they just listened to Mike Moore and their friends. I love how the media likes to focus on how so many Iraquis want us out of their country. I'm sure they were MUCH happier being beheaded and not having any rights. I'm sure they hate being able to vote. It's funny how quickly people blocked the image of people cheering as the statue of Saddam Heussein was torn down out of their heads. It seems like all of the members of this forum that are soldiers in the middle east are Bush supporters. My step brother got out of the marines about a year ago and a lot of his friends in his platoon died. He said it's because they'e kids that aren't taking the war seriously. These kids join the military because they think it's just going to be smooth sailing and that the military is going to pay for them to go to school without them having to do anything. Then they get angry because they're shipped off to war. Common sense- if you're in the military, there's always the chance you'll be needed to fight. Don't ever think you can take advantage of Uncle Sam because it just won't happen.