*NFB* Fighting the real enemy (Joe Scarborough)

[TraceZ]

Check out this .

someone is finally telling it like it is!

[Jeff_in_Atl]

Very good.

If everybody was behind the effort to bring peace to Iraq the entire world would be better off.

[DeWynter]

I dont belive the war is totaly justified as who are north americans to dictate what happens half way around the world? they hate americans for coming to their aid. Its not because they dont want peace, but because they are too proud to be helped. I can understand this. They also have a different religeon which has a huge affect on their lives and the way they act. They belive in their god so much that they have no fear of death, I may no agree with it but I have to give them kudos for having so much faith, I doubt there are to many christains with the same level of faith... If you look at it from their side thay are giving up therei lives for the choise to do what they want, not be told what they want or told what to do. Im sure they will like the peace they will eventually get. I also believe if things were so bad they couldnt take it any more they would have risen up against sadam. I know the main arguments were that Weapons of mas destruction and terrorist links are the reason to go there, but I also belive oil has a big part of it. I dont see the american government going after the sadi people even though most of the 911 terrorists were from there which I cannot understand. I dont claim to know everything, or even be as knowledgable as others on the board or that the americans are bad for stepping in. But alot of the American hate comes from the policies of the United states in foregin affairs.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

I dont belive the war is totaly justified as who are north americans to dictate what happens half way around the world? they hate americans for coming to their aid. Its not because they dont want peace, but because they are too proud to be helped. I can understand this. They also have a different religeon which has a huge affect on their lives and the way they act. They belive in their god so much that they have no fear of death, I may no agree with it but I have to give them kudos for having so much faith, I doubt there are to many christains with the same level of faith... If you look at it from their side thay are giving up therei lives for the choise to do what they want, not be told what they want or told what to do. Im sure they will like the peace they will eventually get. I also believe if things were so bad they couldnt take it any more they would have risen up against sadam. I know the main arguments were that Weapons of mas destruction and terrorist links are the reason to go there, but I also belive oil has a big part of it. I dont see the american government going after the sadi people even though most of the 911 terrorists were from there which I cannot understand. I dont claim to know everything, or even be as knowledgable as others on the board or that the americans are bad for stepping in. But alot of the American hate comes from the policies of the United states in foregin affairs.

I heard Fox news is finally going to be allowed in Canada. Now maybe you can hear all sides of what is going on.

[Injuneer]

Spoken like a true Canadian.

[DeWynter]

I heard Fox news is finally going to be allowed in Canada. Now maybe you can hear all sides of what is going on.

Ya because we get media blackouts from news in our own country and others? And I bet all Canadaians live in igloos and it snows year round too. No power no satalite damn we are just a back water country Believe me I think Sadam being out is a great thing. I dont really like the Idea of some A$$ droping a nuke on the US as its right next door. I dont always agree with US forgien policy, and its not just Iraq that dislikes american policies. I dont want to argue what is right and what is wrong in the US policiy book, but not all people in the world hold the US in the highest regards. I must say I like most Americans, cant say you would like all Canadians. GWB seems to have a "beef" with Canada too. If it was up to me -americans want to tarif our soft lumber and block our beef- Id just tarif the heck out of the exported oil. I love my Country as much as you love yours, but the US just expects everyone to go along with all of their rules and if you dont do as they ask they wage war with you either through guns or economics. GWB is trying to punish Canada for not going to war with him when he asked. Good thing we dont depend on the US as much as GWB thinks. I have no problem with anyone in the US I like the people, just not the current president but he is better than kerry.

[DeWynter]

Spoken like a true Canadian.

And in the true spirit of christmas, Merry Christmas to you too.

[SteveH95Formula]

"I dont belive the war is totaly justified as who are north americans to dictate what happens half way around the world?"

So we a bad in trying to bring Democracy to the poor middle eastern contries?
Makes perfect sense to me!

"If you look at it from their side thay are giving up therei lives for the choise to do what they want, not be told what they want or told what to do."

Thats exactly what we are fighng for! Bringing Democracy to their country that they have a choice in.

"I also believe if things were so bad they couldnt take it any more they would have risen up against sadam."

If anyone even talked bad about Saddam's government they'd be torchured to death.

"I dont see the american government going after the sadi people even though most of the 911 terrorists were from there which I cannot understand."

We are not at war, nor can a country go to war against "People", it must be against a gevernment. We are alies with the Saudi government.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

...they hate americans for coming to their aid.

Yea I have to agree.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

More hate USA pictures from Iraq.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

Ya because we get media blackouts from news in our own country and others? And I bet all Canadaians live in igloos and it snows year round too. No power no satalite damn we are just a back water country Believe me I think Sadam being out is a great thing. I dont really like the Idea of some A$$ droping a nuke on the US as its right next door. I dont always agree with US forgien policy, and its not just Iraq that dislikes american policies. I dont want to argue what is right and what is wrong in the US policiy book, but not all people in the world hold the US in the highest regards. I must say I like most Americans, cant say you would like all Canadians. GWB seems to have a "beef" with Canada too. If it was up to me -americans want to tarif our soft lumber and block our beef- Id just tarif the heck out of the exported oil. I love my Country as much as you love yours, but the US just expects everyone to go along with all of their rules and if you dont do as they ask they wage war with you either through guns or economics. GWB is trying to punish Canada for not going to war with him when he asked. Good thing we dont depend on the US as much as GWB thinks. I have no problem with anyone in the US I like the people, just not the current president but he is better than kerry.

Hey man I didn't mean any disrespect but you have to know that your government has been depriving their citizens of getting balanced reporting. Heck it's hard to get balanced reporting in the USA. If it wasn't for FOX news nobody would ever hear of anything good coming from Iraq. This is exactly what has been going on in Canada as well as other parts of the world. The media has been what has driven the hatred towards the USA as well as 35 other countries for liberating Iraq. All I meant was you are not getting all sides of what is going on over there which is obvious by your opinion. Remember the first rule to controlling the citizens of a country is to control the flow of information to them. The second rule is government controlled schools. The USA has screwed that up big-time.

I didn't know the snow melted up there. I'm kidding!!!

[DeWynter]

I wont deny that Media is the one that sways influence, but to be totaly honest I get Fox news everyday its on my bell satalite. I dont get any different news than you, there are no reports here that tell us that the americans are bad or that they are in the wrong. I would say that the canadian news is way more supportive of the war in Iraq than most american news stations. CBC is an unbiased news outlet. Ya it may be owned by the canadian government, but to what end would the govenment try to make its biggest ally look bad? I belive its your american citizen that twisted all the bull$*@t into a movie. I dont want to rain on your parade, but I would be a little pissed if someone came to canada and said we dont think your government is right were gona change it for you. I also belive that it is for the best. Im just not convined that there wasnt a better way of going about it.

[TODD 2000 V6 CAMARO]

Spoken like a true Canadian.

Dang skippy. I hear that kind of stuff all the time up here. "You know you people just went there for the oil!" OK, Uhmmm....we get like 2% of our total oil consumption from Iraq......let's see.....yeah...THAT's worth Billions and Billions of dollars of military spending. "Bush lied about WMD's!" Really? Then I guess Sadaam killed so many thousands of the Kurds with pellet guns? Please, we all know he had them. Whether he destroyed and hid them while the UN was sitting on their hands debating the whole thing, we will never know. Sorry, I just get sick of hearing the opinion of people from a country who's gov't refused to help us and is terribly flawed and screwed up in its own right.

[TODD 2000 V6 CAMARO]

Ya because we get media blackouts from news in our own country and others? And I bet all Canadaians live in igloos and it snows year round too. No power no satalite damn we are just a back water country Believe me I think Sadam being out is a great thing. I dont really like the Idea of some A$$ droping a nuke on the US as its right next door. I dont always agree with US forgien policy, and its not just Iraq that dislikes american policies. I dont want to argue what is right and what is wrong in the US policiy book, but not all people in the world hold the US in the highest regards. I must say I like most Americans, cant say you would like all Canadians. GWB seems to have a "beef" with Canada too. If it was up to me -americans want to tarif our soft lumber and block our beef- Id just tarif the heck out of the exported oil. I love my Country as much as you love yours, but the US just expects everyone to go along with all of their rules and if you dont do as they ask they wage war with you either through guns or economics. GWB is trying to punish Canada for not going to war with him when he asked. Good thing we dont depend on the US as much as GWB thinks. I have no problem with anyone in the US I like the people, just not the current president but he is better than kerry.

Whatever. The only reason that Americans have the ignorance about Canadians that you mentioned first was because we hear next to nothing about Canada growing up here. (And we don't miss much, I have learned that from living here for 3 years) Canadians know so much about Americans ( or at least think they do ) because you are inundated with our culture through American TV stations, American Magazines, American movies, American websites, etc etc etc. So don't blame us if we don't know as much about you as you think we should, and please don't think that the majority really have any interest to.
Second, I think the possibility of Bush having a "beef" with canada might have something to do with the Woman from Cretien's, and now Martin's cabinet who has publicly said that Bush is an Idiot and that "Americans ar bastards and I hate them." And this wonderful piece of work is still in office! No punishment whatsoever! What does this tell Americans about how Canadians feel about them? I, for one, have experienced my share of Anti-American sentiment from Canadians while living here to where I can't say I blame Bush one little iota for closing the border to beef and placing tarriffs on lumber. Besides that, we have enough cattle ranchers of our own to support without having to buy beef from Canada. It is not our fault that the market in Canada alone cannot support it's own ranchers. I hear ranchers here bitching and moaning about it all the time. So, don't think for a minute that these things are a result of Canada not going to war on Iraq with us alone. The 200 troops Canada could have spared wouldn't have done that much good anyway.
I cannot wait to move back home from here. I hate to be the foreigner in a country that complains about it all the time, but I simply can't help myself. I can only take so much chip-on-the-shoulder bias and hatemongering towards my country for so long. It is a good thing that my wife and in-laws are as pro-american as they are or else I would left a long time ago.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

I wont deny that Media is the one that sways influence, but to be totaly honest I get Fox news everyday its on my bell satalite. I dont get any different news than you, there are no reports here that tell us that the americans are bad or that they are in the wrong. I would say that the canadian news is way more supportive of the war in Iraq than most american news stations. CBC is an unbiased news outlet. Ya it may be owned by the canadian government, but to what end would the govenment try to make its biggest ally look bad? I belive its your american citizen that twisted all the bull$*@t into a movie. I dont want to rain on your parade, but I would be a little pissed if someone came to canada and said we dont think your government is right were gona change it for you. I also belive that it is for the best. Im just not convined that there wasnt a better way of going about it.

Oh so you've been breaking the law getting Fox via satellite. Don't let them find out. That's good. But there is something to be said for a government to not allow free speech.

Everybody except maybe AlJazeera is more favorable towards the war compared to US news. It's pretty pathetic.

I saw 2 Canadian reporters being interviewed about 2 weeks ago and they were very liberal. They did not support the war at all.

Speaking or raining it is starting to rain here. You'd be pissed if Alqada attacked some place in your country. And then they say they are going to keep attacking your country. And then the USA says they are not going to support you taking military actions to keep it from happening again. And France goes out of their way going to other countries convincing them not to help you. In fact, they go out and do things to hurt you. They sell military weapons to the people trying to hurt you that are then turned around and used to kill 1000 Canadians.

Canada signed the UN resolution authorizing force against Saddam. After 12 years of for him, they wouldn't enforce it. That makes that signature worthless.