August 22nd... and Iran

[Joshu]

The Russians have not yet confirmed the cause of the crash, But based on the date, I suspect Islamic extremists.

[edit] But, I may be wrong... It's looking like it might have been an accident.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe...ash/index.html

TU-154's in my opinion are aging fast and need replaced.
Terrorism has been ruled out.

[Steel2686]

Even reliable aircraft have been known to fail in countries with little money. Just a couple months ago, an Airbus A-130 crashed in Russia. They are a very safe, mechanically sound aircraft. However, if not maintaned properly, things will happen.

[TraceZ]

Ok, I have a new theory. The terrorists have proven themselves to be politically astute. They are really good at manipulating political opinion and using the politics in America against us.

They will hold off on any terror attacks until after the November elections. This will be in an effort to allow republican approval ratings to fall and give democrats the advantage. Did you see that Bush's approval rating jumped 5 points after the British busted up that plot to blow up the airliners? That is the last thing the terrorists want is to give any republicans a boost before any elections.

Then, after the elections are done and the democrats have grown in strength they may decide to act. The thing here is that it's not a question of "if", but rather "when" there will be more attacks. Their biggest assets are their patience, determination and their political skills. Americans have no patience, forget about issues quickly and have poor political skills. The terrorists will lie in wait. They will let things blow over and come into their favor while they regroup and get ready for the next offensive.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

It's rather entertaining to watch all the back-tracking and excuses, and the next-doomsday-prophesizing going on...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5275560.stm

The day came and went. We're still here and no one got nuked.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

Ok, I have a new theory. The terrorists have proven themselves to be politically astute. They are really good at manipulating political opinion and using the politics in America against us.

They will hold off on any terror attacks until after the November elections. This will be in an effort to allow republican approval ratings to fall and give democrats the advantage. Did you see that Bush's approval rating jumped 5 points after the British busted up that plot to blow up the airliners? That is the last thing the terrorists want is to give any republicans a boost before any elections.

Then, after the elections are done and the democrats have grown in strength they may decide to act. The thing here is that it's not a question of "if", but rather "when" there will be more attacks. Their biggest assets are their patience, determination and their political skills. Americans have no patience, forget about issues quickly and have poor political skills. The terrorists will lie in wait. They will let things blow over and come into their favor while they regroup and get ready for the next offensive.

Once again, Iran is a nation. It is not a nation-less band of terrorist whackos. Just because you disagree with their foreign and domestic political policy, does not qualify them for the label of "Islamic extremist terrorist".

If you want to talk about terrorism and Islamic extremists, then fine... let's start another thread that isn't about Iran. Because these are two seperate topics.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

You need to add more to the description. The neighbor has called for the death of your family on several occasions. He believes your home and family deserve to die. In that position, what do you do? You call the cops. One problem.... The cops in this case is the UN.

So the cops say to you "Well, they haven't actually acted on anything yet. Even if they do, I'm sure there is a peaceful means to get their cooperation."

Nice. Now you have a neighbor who is arming himself with a gun so powerful, it could effect houses in the surrounding area. The cops don't want to get involved, or at very least, not realisticly. Yet, you have the best arsenal on the block.

This is why these examples don't apply to the governments of the world.

Severeal occaisions? Israel, yes... United States, no.

Let them kill each other off. We don't need to waste any more of our money or our soldiers.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

Once again, Iran is a nation. It is not a nation-less band of terrorist whackos. Just because you disagree with their foreign and domestic political policy, does not qualify them for the label of "Islamic extremist terrorist".

If you want to talk about terrorism and Islamic extremists, then fine... let's start another thread that isn't about Iran. Because these are two seperate topics.

Iran is a nation of terrorist whackos (refering to the government not the regualr folks). Their foreign policy is to destroy another nation so that does qualify them for the label of "Islamic extremist terrorist" which makes my first sentance true.

[TraceZ]

Severeal occaisions? Israel, yes... United States, no.

Let them kill each other off. We don't need to waste any more of our money or our soldiers.

Dont be so niave! Even the French are able to see that if Iran is able to enrich uranium they will build a bomb and use it (or give it to an extremist group and let them use it). There is no question, man!

PARIS — France's foreign minister said Wednesday that Iran must suspend uranium enrichment if it wants to return to the negotiating table and try to end the international dispute over its contested nuclear program.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209964,00.html

[Rhode Island Red]

Once again, Iran is a nation. It is not a nation-less band of terrorist whackos. Just because you disagree with their foreign and domestic political policy, does not qualify them for the label of "Islamic extremist terrorist".

If you want to talk about terrorism and Islamic extremists, then fine... let's start another thread that isn't about Iran. Because these are two seperate topics.

I have empiracle evidence to say otherwise...My good friend was one of the 52 hostages held hostage @ the US embassy when the Shaw was overthrown back in '79. The current president of Iran, despite what any media outlet will tell you was one of the terrorist scum who held him hostage... He had an affectionate name for him ..."The stupid litttle midget" as he (President of Iran) is short.

Iran, the country was founded upon "Islamic extremist beliefs" who bows down to an even more extreme fundamentaist the Supreme Leader - Khomeni and is currently run by a terrorist, with all his friends in running the goverment. The only reason my friend is alive today is because his ethnic origin is of Puerto Rican descent as the terrorists were keeping or torturing the blond-haired blue-eyed sterotypical American. Empiracle evedence proves Iran is run by an organized group of whacko's whom will stop at nothing to re-establic the territory the Moors once held (look at your histroy book about spain)

[Joe 1320]

Iran is a nation of terrorist whackos (refering to the government not the regualr folks). Their foreign policy is to destroy another nation so that does qualify them for the label of "Islamic extremist terrorist" which makes my first sentance true.

I think that statement is for the most part true. The radicals in the late 70's were based in Iran, their terrorist groups now expand beyond their borders attempting to assert control over the region. Not only that, they have publically called for a nearby country to be "wiped off the map". When a Country's political leadership takes "military" or "terrorist" aim at their neighbors, they are considered hostile. When they are completely intolerant of anyone who doesn't follow their religious beliefs under the penalty of death you have brutal opression. When that situation expands beyond their borders, combined with a refusal to tolerate anyone else we have a serious problem that that only one type of diplomacy that will work...... That's gunboat diplomacy folks. If the radicals ever learn the principle of tolerance and compromise, then diplomacy has a chance. One thing is for damned sure. If we didn't have the ability to kick azz, our country would already have been attacked on a much more grand scale.... if there even would be a country left.

[TraceZ]

We are now in Iraq for the long haul. If we leave, civil war will break out. Into that civil war will come Iran. Iran would take over and bring in their tyranny.

The world cannot allow Iran to get any more powerfull than they already are. Diffusing them now is already a big enough issue, we dont need to make it worse. Iran cannot be allowed to expand into Iraq, and they cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons. Those are absolutes, there can be no compromises there.

I dont understand how anyone that claims to be conscious of global history and events can honestly say that we need to pull out of Iraq. I question if democratic politicians honestly believe that is a good move, or if they are just playing political games to get the votes of the majority of the ignorant masses.

Now, if this isnt all bad enough, you have the worlds energy supply based in that same region. Ugh!

[Joe 1320]

Newsflash:

Syria opposes U.N. forces on its border


Duh! Ya think? They can't support their local terrorists if the border is closed.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

The world cannot allow Iran to get any more powerfull than they already are. Diffusing them now is already a big enough issue, we dont need to make it worse. Iran cannot be allowed to expand into Iraq, and they cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons. Those are absolutes, there can be no compromises there.

Wow. Truly unbelievable, and actually scary for me to read such blind faith exhibited by you Tracy.

I swear to God, 5 years ago, this is word for word the exact same thing we were convinced to believe about Iraq. You could seriously replace the word Iran with Iraq, and if spoken 5 years ago, no one would know the difference.

It's really incredible how we refuse to learn from our mistakes.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

Iran is a nation of terrorist whackos (refering to the government not the regualr folks). Their foreign policy is to destroy another nation so that does qualify them for the label of "Islamic extremist terrorist" which makes my first sentance true.

That's entirely unfounded. You cannot confuse any organized, state-sponsored military actions, that are aimed at other military forces (not civilians) as "terrorism". Need I remind you that 5 years ago our foreign policy was to overtake a nation as well?

Tell me when the last time Iran intentionally killed innocent civilians with guerilla, terrorist tactics.

Just because they're Islamic, and albeit strict and possibly fanatically Islamic does not qualify them to be terrorists.

This thread has finally digressed into its true colors - which is nothing more than fear of terrorism. I completely understand where you all are coming from, but your inability to objectively discern reality from emotionally convenient stereotyping is just not right.

Iran is a sovereign nation with its own (stable) government. We don't need to police them. If they aggress us, which you all have been completely unable to prove that they have, then we strike back... plain and simple. Stop looking for "terrorism" on every Islamic street corner.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

Dont be so niave! Even the French are able to see that if Iran is able to enrich uranium they will build a bomb and use it (or give it to an extremist group and let them use it). There is no question, man!



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209964,00.html

Who gives a moose's butt what the French say? We never cared what they said about us when they were critical of us... you never did either. Now that they agree with you, you're going to conveniently cite their agreement as some sort of trump card?