I didn't know ligers really existed..

[fastTa]

From what I understand, the term "hybrid" has dual application in the biological world. It means an interbreeding of animals or plants from 2 different non-specific taxonomical classifications, or the interbreeding of 2 animals or plants from within the same taxonomical classification.

Meaning the term hybrid does not exclusively specify the two animals in question be of a particularly different species or even the same species.

Under this premise, liger is indeed a hybrid, just like wolfdogs are hybrids....GauSSian is correct.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hybrid

Like Joe said......I would not want to meet that thing in a dark alley!!

[ryan34]

The liger is the largest cat in the world....The male tiger and the female lions hold the gene that controls Growth...So when a male Lion and a female Tiger mate, there is no gene to inhibit growth....so like crocidiles, they never stop growing. Which i thought was pretty impressive

[MarkFL]

http://www.worldscreatures.com/land-.../mammals/cats/

according to this both lions and tigers are members of the genus panthera while the lion is species onca and tigers are species tigris.

IIRC, wolves are canis lupis and dogs are canis familaris.

Are there any issues involving fertility and wolfdog mixes, Ken? I would guess though that wolves and dogs are more closely related than lions and tigers.

Once we learn to manipulate genes effectively, can you imagine the possibilities?

[raroZ28]

Once we learn to manipulate genes effectively, can you imagine the possibilities?

Yeah, I see Ken running around looking like this

[wolfdogs]

according to this both lions and tigers are members of the genus panthera while the lion is species onca and tigers are species tigris.

IIRC, wolves are canis lupis and dogs are canis familaris.

Are there any issues involving fertility and wolfdog mixes, Ken? I would guess though that wolves and dogs are more closely related than lions and tigers.

Once we learn to manipulate genes effectively, can you imagine the possibilities?

whatsoever..

the spcies is: panthera, the sub species is onca (lion) just like the sub species of the wolf is lupus... the species being canis... the wolfdog is: canis lupus familiaris... this was published in the Federal Register in 1993. (verifying the same species)

[MarkFL]

I always thought the binomial nomenclature of taxonomy followed the form

genus species.

King Philip Cried Out For Goodness Sake...a mnemonic for

Kingdom Phylum Class Order Family Genus Species

like our own kind (modern humans)

homo sapiens sapiens

our genus is homo. we share this genus with the other homonids...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_(genus)

our species is sapiens, and some even further differentiate modern people from ealier sapiens like Cro-Magnon Man with the subspecies sapiens, meaning wise...we sure have a bloated opinion of ourselves, eh?

Here, the tiger is described as being in the genus Panthera:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger

maybe there's two differing schools of thought on this, and mine is the older one, since it's been awhile since I was in school, and I know you are always furthering your education about wolfdogs.

[wolfdogs]

From what I understand, the term "hybrid" has dual application in the biological world. It means an interbreeding of animals or plants from 2 different non-specific taxonomical classifications, or the interbreeding of 2 animals or plants from within the same taxonomical classification.

Meaning the term hybrid does not exclusively specify the two animals in question be of a particularly different species or even the same species.

Under this premise, liger is indeed a hybrid, just like wolfdogs are hybrids....GauSSian is correct.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hybrid

Like Joe said......I would not want to meet that thing in a dark alley!!

i will pull the copy of the determination from the 1993 Federal Register showing you to be incorrect. again, a hybrid is a cross between two species. a wolf hybrid would be a wolf and opossum maybe...but not a dog.

[wolfdogs]

I always thought the binomial nomenclature of taxonomy followed the form

genus species.

King Philip Cried Out For Goodness Sake...a mnemonic for

Kingdom Phylum Class Order Family Genus Species

like our own kind (modern humans)

homo sapiens sapiens

our genus is homo. we share this genus with the other homonids...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_(genus)

our species is sapiens, and some even further differentiate modern people from ealier sapiens like Cro-Magnon Man with the subspecies sapiens, meaning wise...we sure have a bloated opinion of ourselves, eh?

Here, the tiger is described as being in the genus Panthera:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger

maybe there's two differing schools of thought on this, and mine is the older one, since it's been awhile since I was in school, and I know you are always furthering your education about wolfdogs.

well, i can tell you, in the wolf and wolfdog community, as a result of the federal register ruling, we are trying to do away with the term "wolf hybrid" as it pertains to a wolf - dog cross.......

tigers and lions.... thats thier problem...LOL

just like crossing a horse with a zebra...

now... a horse with a mule...thats different...

a camaro with a mustang.................. eeeeeeeuuuuuuuuwwwwwwww

[Joe 1320]

Family, shmamily.

That's a biiigggg puddy tat.

[Z Ya Later]

Baaad ole puddy tat!!

[wolfdogs]

Baaad ole puddy tat!!

things seems pretty tame to me....but an animal like that can be confused too...... kinda like ...... never mind......LOL

[DeWynter]

yeah i read that. A liger is a male lion, female tiger, and its huge.

The tigon is male tiger, female lion, and theyre like dwarf versions of the liger. weird.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A Tigon is the hybrid of a male tiger and a lioness. The tigon is not as common as the converse hybrid, the liger, however in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, tigons were more common than ligers.

Tigons can exhibit characteristics of both parents: they can have both spots from the mother (lions carry genes for spots — lion cubs are spotted) and stripes from the father. Any mane that a male tigon may have will appear shorter and less noticeable than a lion's mane and is closer in type to the ruff of a male tiger. It is a common misconception that Tigons are smaller than lions or tigers. They do not exceed the size of their parent species because they inherit growth-inhibitory genes from the lioness mother, but they do not exhibit any kind of dwarfism or miniaturisation; they often weigh around 150 kilograms (350 lb). They appear "housecat-like".

The comparative rarity of tigons is attributed to male tigers finding the courtship behaviour of a lioness too subtle and thus may miss behavioural cues that signal her willingness to mate. However lionesses actively solicit mating, so the current rarity of tigons is most likely due to their being less impressive in size than ligers, with a corresponding lesser novelty value. A century ago, tigons were evidently more common than ligers. Gerald Iles, in "At Home In The Zoo" (1961) was able to obtain 3 tigons for Manchester's Belle Vue Zoo, but wrote that he had never seen a liger. A number of tigons are currently being bred in China.

[fastTa]

i will pull the copy of the determination from the 1993 Federal Register showing you to be incorrect. again, a hybrid is a cross between two species. a wolf hybrid would be a wolf and opossum maybe...but not a dog.

You are right. I was thinking a hybrid was more along the lines of this .....

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

You are right. I was thinking a hybrid was more along the lines of this .....

That is, irrevocably, the funniest thing I have EVER seen on this site.

[wolfdogs]

since the liger can not reproduce, it technically could be a hybrid on that single issue, but not the species issue....
but not a wolfdog:

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...nary&va=hybrid

http://www.inetdesign.com/wolfdunn/

http://www.answers.com/topic/hybrid

http://experts.about.com/e/w/wo/Wolfdog.htm

http://www.minervasden.1hwy.com/custom4.html