Cook County, Illinois gun ban threat...it starts already in 0bama land

[Jeff_in_Atl]

I don't see a problem with that law at all. It's not like it is restricting gun rights. All you have to do is report your weapon as stolen within 24 hours. In early nineties Pittsburgh went through a wave of gang violence. Recently, stolen guns have been used by those released from prison who committed crimes during the gang violence. A new wave of violence has caused crime to jump here over the last two years....almost all of it involves a stolen gun. There is a legal loophole strengthening the gun trade:

I don't have a problem with the law. I have a problem with her attitude about it. "Who really cares about it being unconstitutional?" said Councilwoman Tonya Payne, a supporter. "This is what's right to do, and if this means that we have to go out and have a court battle, then that's fine ... " You know what, lady you should care. Everybody who makes laws should care. One of the mistakes made by Bush is he signed a bill McCain-Feingold into law knowing full well it is unconstitutional. He even said he knew it was expecting it to be challenged in court and get overthrown. But nobody has done that. In the mean time it is the law. Another example is the Washington DC ban on hand guns. It took 32 years before the law was challenged in court and said to be unconstitutional. That's bull. The process is broken. A bill/law should have to be proven to be constitutionally OK before it goes into effect as a law. That's all I'm saying.

[Joshu]

A bill/law should have to be proven to be constitutionally OK before it goes into effect as a law. That's all I'm saying.

Just like the patriot act?

[Jeff_in_Atl]

Just like the patriot act?

Absolutely. All bills.

[FroSSty]

Who would have the responsibility to check the bills? The Supreme Court?

[Joshu]

Who would have the responsibility to check the bills? The Supreme Court?

Haha

Why can't we just put sh*t up for a vote? Like seriously?

[FroSSty]

Haha

Why can't we just put sh*t up for a vote? Like seriously?

And give the people the ultimate say in what laws are passed??? HAH! That goes against the direction our government is prepared to take us.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

Who would have the responsibility to check the bills? The Supreme Court?

I can't think of anybody that "should" be more qualified. But even they do not have the best reputation for rulings based on the constitution. Maybe a new court due to the increased work load that is equal to the Supreme Court or under jurisdiction of the Supreme Court but their mandate should be strictly a constitution check. Not a "feelings" check.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

Haha

Why can't we just put sh*t up for a vote? Like seriously?

Because this election proves that the people are not qualified to vote.

[Joshu]

Because this election proves that the people are not qualified to vote.

Not a fan of democracy anymore since it didn't go in your favor?

[Jeff_in_Atl]

Not a fan of democracy anymore since it didn't go in your favor?

I never have been a fan of democracy. Neither were any of our founding fathers. This country isn't a democracy. Say the pledge of allegiance. It's a republic.

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." Thomas Jefferson

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson

"Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide."
John Adams

I like this one. "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." Winston Churchill

"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." John F. Kennedy

"Democracy is indispensable to socialism." Vladimir Lenin

"Democracy is the road to socialism." Karl Marx

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." H. L. Mencken

[Joshu]

I never have been a fan of democracy. Neither were any of our founding fathers. This country isn't a democracy. Say the pledge of allegiance. It's a republic.

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." Thomas Jefferson

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson

"Democracy... while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide."
John Adams

I like this one. "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." Winston Churchill

"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." John F. Kennedy

"Democracy is indispensable to socialism." Vladimir Lenin

"Democracy is the road to socialism." Karl Marx

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." H. L. Mencken

I am well aware that we are a republic. So what's your suggestion to make a "qualified" voter?

[FroSSty]

I am well aware that we are a republic. So what's your suggestion to make a "qualified" voter?

First step. cut ALL media. Go with fact and record ONLY. Who the heck cares about Palin's wardrobe? I mean seriously....

[Jeff_in_Atl]

I am well aware that we are a republic. So what's your suggestion to make a "qualified" voter?

For starters the test should have;
1. What are the branches of government.
2. What does each branch do.
3. How does 1 branch check the power of another branch.
4. How many congressman does each state have.
Possible answers
A. 2
B. 10
C. Each state receives representation proportional to its population but is entitled to at least one Representative.
5. How long is their elected term.
6. How many elected terms can they serve.
7. What is the name of the congressman that represents your district.
8. How many senators does each state have.
Same answers as #4
9. How long is their elected term.
10. How many elected terms can they serve.
11. What are the names of the ones from your state.
12. What is the current president's name.
13. What is the current vice-president's name.
14. How long is their elected term.
15. How many elected terms can they serve.
16. Who elects the president and vice president.
Possible answers
A. Congress
B. The people who vote
C. The electoral college
D. The voters by state
17. What are the names of the people who are running for president and vice president of the democratic party.
18. What are the names of the people who are running for president and vice president of the republican party.
19. can't think anymore
20. can't think anymore

If you can't score at least an 80 on this you should not be allowed to vote.

[Joshu]

For starters the test should have;
1. What are the branches of government.
2. What does each branch do.
3. How does 1 branch check the power of another branch.
4. How many congressman does each state have.
Possible answers
A. 2
B. 10
C. Each state receives representation proportional to its population but is entitled to at least one Representative.
5. How long is their elected term.
6. How many elected terms can they serve.
7. What is the name of the congressman that represents your district.
8. How many senators does each state have.
Same answers as #4
9. How long is their elected term.
10. How many elected terms can they serve.
11. What are the names of the ones from your state.
12. What is the current president's name.
13. What is the current vice-president's name.
14. How long is their elected term.
15. How many elected terms can they serve.
16. Who elects the president and vice president.
Possible answers
A. Congress
B. The people who vote
C. The electoral college
D. The voters by state
17. What are the names of the people who are running for president and vice president of the democratic party.
18. What are the names of the people who are running for president and vice president of the republican party.
19. can't think anymore
20. can't think anymore

If you can't score at least an 80 on this you should not be allowed to vote.

So basically a test like we had during slavery to disqualify those who can't read or write. There are several hard working plant workers near where I work who have opinions and I know they can't read or write. They can't even help their kids with homework.

Those with more money will be able to ace this thing no problem because of a good education....and then you end up with a lopsided vote because not everyone is represented.

So much of this vote has been chastised because of the "uneducated black vote" . I searched the internet for a study I saw but I can't find it. It showed that if you take out the black vote Obama still would have won.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

So basically a test like we had during slavery to disqualify those who can't read or write. There are several hard working plant workers near where I work who have opinions and I know they can't read or write. They can't even help their kids with homework.

Those with more money will be able to ace this thing no problem because of a good education....and then you end up with a lopsided vote because not everyone is represented.

So much of this vote has been chastised because of the "uneducated black vote" . I searched the internet for a study I saw but I can't find it. It showed that if you take out the black vote Obama still would have won.

Oh yes the poor, the uneducated, and the blacks. Well I never have been black but I certainly have been poor. My dad died when I was in the 8th grade. Nothing in savings. No life insurance. People didn't think about those things in the 70s. My mom struggled to raise me and my sister on her income as a secretary and what little we got from social security as a death benefit from my dad. There was no way I could go to college. I got a job painting metal shelving, worked 8 hours a day and went to school full time. Every person in this country has the same opportunity to educate themselves as anybody else. There are free local libraries all over the country. You can get a job and go to a community college and educate yourself. I have no sympathy for anyone who is too damn lazy to get off their rear and go take some classes at college and learn how to get a better job. I started off as a machinist tapping holes on a hand tapping machine in the machine shop. I spent my lunch time and after work learning on my own time how to program the CNC machines. I moved up to running them then programming them then to shop supervisor. Now I have moved out of the shop into the engineering department. Now I design high tech satellites and all kinds of cool stuff. No one taught it to me. I went out and learned it on my own. If I can do it any one can so I don't care about the poor poor pitiful poor. They are there because of bad decisions they have made in their life. If they are not smart enough to vote they have no business bringing down the rest of the country because of their ignorance. BTW there are just as many ignorant white voters as black voters. I don't even know what race has to do with this conversation. This is about whether voters are qualified to vote. I know people that have a BS degree and are not qualified to vote.