Downright sick

[FroSSty]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-registered39/

That article hits the nail on the head.
By reading some of the comments, I came across THIS BOOK.
I am going to order it and read it. It looks like a good book to show the downside to "gun control".

[bru333]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...61537893819675

[Joshu]

That article hits the nail on the head.
By reading some of the comments, I came across THIS BOOK.
I am going to order it and read it. It looks like a good book to show the downside to "gun control".

That book has no point. No government out there is even close to the united states and never will be. I'm not calling for a gun ban. I am calling for very strict gun laws and restrictions.

EDIT: From the book's website: "Here's the Formula: Hatred + Government + Disarmed Civilians = Genocide"

CLEARLY possible in the United States. CLEARLY relevant to what we are talking about.

[thomas]

unfortunatly we didnt think America would become a socialist country either.......

[FroSSty]

That book has no point. No government out there is even close to the united states and never will be. I'm not calling for a gun ban. I am calling for very strict gun laws and restrictions.

EDIT: From the book's website: "Here's the Formula: Hatred + Government + Disarmed Civilians = Genocide"

CLEARLY possible in the United States. CLEARLY relevant to what we are talking about.

I understand what you are saying. It seems like a good idea but the problem is that there is no way to construct a law that will thwart the criminals ability to get a gun without doing the same or even moreso to a 100% legal citizen. That is why we need to create a law that will make the criminal think twice before he decides to use that gun to commit a crime. ie. STIFFER PENALTIES! I'm talking real penalties. Make these criminals do work that nobody else wants to do like picking up trash on the side of the expressway. Why should I have to be subjected to MORE laws to buy a gun when the criminal is the one who used them improperly? Why is it that he gets a slap on the wrist, only to be parolled and commit yet another crime?

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pandp.htm
During 2007, a total of 1,180,469 parolees were at-risk of being re-incarcerated, which included those under parole supervision on January 1 or who entered parole during the year. Of these parolees, about 16% were returned to incarceration in 2007.
That's right, 188,875 criminals were reincarcerated after being released from prison early. Lets break it down to a state average just for fun. 3,778 criminals per state were released early only to commit ANOTHER crime. Maybe that is alright with you......

As far as the book is concerned, I just noticed it and thought I would share. It looks to me like it has a lot of REAL information. I have not read it yet but believe me, when I do, I am sure to be horrified by the similarities between those governments and our own. By your own edit, are you allowing yourself rational thought or are you being sarcastic and believe that genocide could never happen in the USA?

[FroSSty]

unfortunatly we didnt think America would become a socialist country either.......

Yet, here we are. .gov giving trillions to the very companies who put us in the sewer we are in. Thank you .gov. That is why we pay you the way we do and I heard that you just voted yourselves another raise. Well you deserve it.

[Joshu]

I was being sarcastic with that because I truly do not see it happening here, ever. However, I can not speak to catastrophic world events (natural or made made) that might change that. I'm with you on the felon thing. Now let me ask you a hypothetical question: Would you wait a mandatory six months for your name to be checked for crimes, mental illness etc. before you could own that gun if it meant keeping guns out of those who should not have them? This assuming the system worked.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

I was being sarcastic with that because I truly do not see it happening here, ever. However, I can not speak to catastrophic world events (natural or made made) that might change that. I'm with you on the felon thing. Now let me ask you a hypothetical question: Would you wait a mandatory six months for your name to be checked for crimes, mental illness etc. before you could own that gun if it meant keeping guns out of those who should not have them? This assuming the system worked.

You don't have to wait. You make a license or a permit that does those things and you do the checking every so many years. It's 5 in Georgia. You don't have to check every single time.

But the problem is it doesn't keep guns out of the hands of someone who wants to commit a crime with them because they don't care if they get the gun legally. People that commit crimes don't care about following the laws.

This is a case where the theory world doesn't work in the real world.

[thomas]

I was being sarcastic with that because I truly do not see it happening here, ever. However, I can not speak to catastrophic world events (natural or made made) that might change that. I'm with you on the felon thing. Now let me ask you a hypothetical question: Would you wait a mandatory six months for your name to be checked for crimes, mental illness etc. before you could own that gun if it meant keeping guns out of those who should not have them? This assuming the system worked.

actually i wouldnt care if the name was checked monthly. it really doesnt affect you. they just do a background check on you right? when you buy a gun you should sign a document that stated you authurize them to do as many background checks as they want whether it be monthly, quarterly ect ect. monthly or bi-monthly sounds good to me.

[Joe 1320]

The variable that nobody wants to consider is that the black market for guns is huge. All kinds are available, many without seriel numbers or anything else. How the heck you guys think most criminals get them? It certainly isn't though legal means.

[thomas]

The variable that nobody wants to consider is that the black market for guns is huge. All kinds are available, many without seriel numbers or anything else. How the heck you guys think most criminals get them? It certainly isn't though legal means.

i agree. its just like the drug market. i think most people and i can see were there coming from cause i do it in some situations, come up with "solutions" in an emotional instead of a rational state of mind. 50sum people killed by guns, well lets ban them! the problem is that it wont solve it because most of your gun crimes are commited with illeagal guns. yes, there should be laws. all that banning is going to do is piss alot of people off.

[FroSSty]

I was being sarcastic with that because I truly do not see it happening here, ever. However, I can not speak to catastrophic world events (natural or made made) that might change that. I'm with you on the felon thing. Now let me ask you a hypothetical question: Would you wait a mandatory six months for your name to be checked for crimes, mental illness etc. before you could own that gun if it meant keeping guns out of those who should not have them? This assuming the system worked.

I suggest reading this article posted above http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-registered39/ Especially the part about Hawaii.

As far as your hypothetical question goes...I would be willing to try anything to keep criminals from committing crimes. To date, there has never been any proof that any kind of gun control has been effective in detering criminals from having guns. As far as my name checked for crimes, if I go to a dealer, they already do that. They call the FBI. The mental illness part would not work. Who would check for mental illness? A trained doctor? Ok Cool. But what about when he realizes he could be financially held responsible if someone he deemed to be mentally fit goes on a rampage? All of a sudden he isn't going to want to do that, is he? So now the doctors won't sign off on half of the people that are mentally stable because he doesn't want the malpractice suits.

If we are going all hypothetical, here's one. What if we trained students on the importants of gun safety/handling from elementary up to high school and encouraged them to carry for self defense when they become 18. Teach youngsters that a gun is not to be feared but respected. Teach them that it is a tool used for hunting, target shooting, and especially self defense. Get them accustomed to seeing guns being carried and used in a respectful and responsible way by adults so that it takes the curiosity away and shows them that guns are not the problem but criminals who use them improperly are. Unfortunately this can not happen either because of the society we live in. Therefore it is all of our responsibility to train our own children in this way. The whole "guns are bad, don't touch" mentality is part of the problem, not the solution. 20/20 has proven that.

ETA:Your last sentence...Show me one .gov program that worked the way it was supposed too. Social Security? HMO? Foreign Affairs? Tarp Funds? Immigration? Anything? Remember, the federal .gov was originally created by the state .govs to ease commerce between the states. Keep that in mind. .gov is growing and eventually it will grow so large that it will see the need to oppress all that is against it.

[Joe 1320]

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If we are going all hypothetical, here's one. What if we trained students on the importants of gun safety/handling from elementary up to high school and encouraged them to carry for self defense when they become 18. Teach youngsters that a gun is not to be feared but respected. Teach them that it is a tool used for hunting, target shooting, and especially self defense. Get them accustomed to seeing guns being carried and used in a respectful and responsible way by adults so that it takes the curiosity away and shows them that guns are not the problem but criminals who use them improperly are. Unfortunately this can not happen either because of the society we live in.

Israel does this. Mandatory militart service for I think two years, that includes basic weapons training.

[Joshu]

For me to get a concealed weapons permit it PA all I need to do is go down to the courthouse with my application, a $35 check, and two forms of ID and bam I am good to go. IIRC you get it the same day. That's how easy it is here. In some other states its crazy hard. The point I am trying to make is that some states have laws that really turn out guns easily while others are more cautious. I could purchase a ton of weapons in one state and go to a gun show somewhere else and liquidate all I bought. Are there any background checks on private sales at these shows?....No! There are so many loopholes that need to be shut which is why I favor stricter laws.

The assault weapon ban needs to be reinstated with some harsh penalties. There is no justifiable reason to own one. "It looks pretty in my collection" is not a good enough excuse to make these available. We have harsher laws for the possession of marijuana than we do deadly weapons.

[Wild Willy]

Semantics:

Assault weapon- select fire- capable of full auto- not legal in the US since the 30's, when people used to be able to buy Thompson .45 machine guns-

Criminal- someone who chooses to break laws- so, by definition, won't obey laws criminalizing certain types of guns- all those full-auto Uzi's and AK47 are already illegal, doesn't mean that gangs and mobsters can't get them- heroin and cocaine are illegal, too, and can be bought in any city in this country-

Milita- all citizens of voting age, able to be called up for the common good- whether to fight forest fires, or fill sand bags at a dike, or prevent looting during a power outage or tornado- With freedom comes responsibility- are you prepared to defend your home or family? I am..... I consider it my duty to my family and to society-