Why GM continues to fail....

[Sean 94z28]

In December, they will have the choice, but you're saying they suck for not having it in all Camaros?

At least I am not putting words in your mouth. Where did I ever say all Camaros.

I provide the requested info that shows a Camaro can be 40K (the car is over 40 if an Auto were on it), and you still try to dispute it like its not true.

Looks like I might have a Merry Christmas if nav is on the way. And I really do appriciate that info.

I never even said the car sucked. Companies that offer choices to consumers will thrive. I was validly criticizing GM for NOT offering a very popular option on a premier vehicle introduction.

I on the other hand am still for the link to a $30K SS.

Like I said before. GM is perfect and I was wrong. Thanks for setting me straight, best Camaro board on the internet.

[Sean 94z28]

Dude...What do you expect? You come on an f-body board, the best f-body board, and bitch because the camaro doesn't have optional nav...Seriously? As said above, spend the $800 on an a/m nav and THEN it will be up to what? 39,8060. Still under your 40k figure... Plus you can choose which nav/sound system you want instead of settling for one from GM that may be subpar. And then....Go

I expect people who share the same passion for this vehicle to be able to honestly evaluate its pros and cons. It is called an opinion. Instead you base you arguements on things easily proven false (like no Camaro is over 40K), not to mention out the door price. Tell you what, do a build your own on chevy.com. Get a fully loaded auto car, and it will be over 40.

I called my old ladys CIVIC a POS, because it is. that does mean it didn't come with an awesome Nav and Sound system it did.

You guys take this way to personal. Just because I don't want to have to go hacking into a brand new car to get the electronics OPTION I wanted. Avail in December, cool. If that had been this first reply, instead of "this thread fails" and "this reallly irratates me", "prove that a Camaro can cost 40k". Really FN civil. Later fan-boyz, you won the internetz.

[Craig 94 TA GT]

At least I am not putting words in your mouth. Where did I ever say all Camaros.

I provide the requested info that shows a Camaro can be 40K (the car is over 40 if an Auto were on it), and you still try to dispute it like its not true.

Looks like I might have a Merry Christmas if nav is on the way. And I really do appriciate that info.

I never even said the car sucked. Companies that offer choices to consumers will thrive. I was validly criticizing GM for NOT offering a very popular option on a premier vehicle introduction.

I on the other hand am still for the link to a $30K SS.

Like I said before. GM is perfect and I was wrong. Thanks for setting me straight, best Camaro board on the internet.

I put a question mark there asking if that's what you're saying. I did NOT put words in your mouth. Don't even go there.

I wasn't even arguing your original post and you have your right to your opinion. I was merely happy that you mentioned the Fremont Chevy dealer because I was so close. Then just implied that even luxury cars have features we don't like. I didn't know if you knew about the nav system coming in December, which is why I asked that initial question and compared to the Mustang. It appears then you threw me into the crowd of bashing you. Oh well, do whatever you want, you have the right to love or hate the camaro.

[raroZ28]

Let's not get into what dealers are charging. That's subjective to a particular area. Most of the Camaro's around here are going for $33k. Sorry that you live in So Cal and everything is over priced over there. GM has the car listed at 30k MSRP, so the price gouging you're seeing is going to be on any car you get because of where you live.

"Blind love." Get off the "GM fails" bandwagon that's always hating on American cars and give credit where credit is due. The machine is almost a super car packing 430 HP with top of the line drive train for 30k MSRP. Go find another car with a 30k msrp from a competitor and I'll bet it isn't as impressive as the V6 Camaro.

GM knocked it out of the park with this Camaro, albeit everyone is entitled to their opinion but what did you expect coming onto this forum with a stupid thread like this?

[Joe 1320]

Some parts of this thread are flirting with the line. keep it civil.

[4THGEN Z]

Navigation system = map & compass

or call Onstar...thru them, Camaro does have a turn by turn navigation.

[Sean 94z28]

Some parts of this thread are flirting with the line. keep it civil.

Actually, forum fail. Dish it out, can't take it. Changin the arguement is classic.
later

signed, infidel

[Sean 94z28]

or call Onstar...thru them, Camaro does have a turn by turn navigation.

for a monthly fee, great come back

[Sean 94z28]

So Cal P

Nor-cal, man with no nav.

Still , 30k ss1. link please

[Sean 94z28]

Let's not get into what dealers are charging.

Didn't want to in the first place.

[Sean 94z28]

Navigation system = map & compass

+ phone book

couldn't agree more though. Getting lost baffles me.

[Injuneer]

OK... you're upset because you can get a nav system. If its that important to you don't buy it, and move on.

Attacking people who don't happen to agree with you, and insulting them is no way to even debate the topic. If you can't approach this like a mature adult, don't post.

Continue with the attitude and this thread gets locked.

[Joe 1320]

Actually, forum fail. Dish it out, can't take it. Changin the arguement is classic.
later

signed, infidel

Nothing in my post was specific, but if you're going to take parting shots like that toward me or the forum.......consider yourself done for a bit. Not sure what your problem is but it ends right now. Maybe a week's vacation will cool ya down. Congrats though...... I haven't been forced to give time off to a regular member in years. It's a hell of a forum where people can usually debate things at great length without trolling stabs in that debate.

OK... you're upset because you can get a nav system. If its that important to you don't buy it, and move on.

Attacking people who don't happen to agree with you, and insulting them is no way to even debate the topic. If you can't approach this like a mature adult, don't post.

Continue with the attitude and this thread gets locked.

It's already toast, Fred.

A debate means that both sides can present a civil arguement..... not take pot shots and sarcastic stabs at the other sides of view. I don't know what ruined people's mood, but evidently some bad choices were made. This thread is down the toilet, it should be locked...... but we'll see what happens and it will be left open for now..........I hope this isn't an error in my judgement call, for years this board has been tops in users monitoring their own communications and I've always been the most proud of these members and this forum.

[markd79ta]

Personally, I was pretty interested in the Camaro until I sat in two of them last spring during the car show. They had a V6 RS and an SS. There was a lot left to be desired with the interior. The console gauges were a good idea. However, they are an option. I sat in one without them which left the inside of the car horribly bland. I guess it is great for those who wanted something stripped down for racing. Since the Firebird is done, GM should have stepped up the interior more on the Camaro. I hate to say it, but I like the Mustang and Challenger a lot better. As far as engines and power, there is no comparison. The direct injected V6 RS is GREAT car! If I was to buy one, that would be it. If this car came out say in around 2005, I probably would have bought one.

At this point, I am over them. I can’t afford my commute with the old ’97 or the Roadmaster so I drive a 4 banger now. The SS is not even a consideration. I would buy the Vette for a weekend car not the Camaro. GM’s decisions to kill the b-body, the f-body, overuse the 20 year old 3800, and not fix the tcc valve issue, will haunt them for years to come. When I owned my Bonneville SSEi and faced $3000 to get the trans fixed because of a known and not recalled bug, I started down the path of loathing GM. I dumped the Bonneville and bought a new Jeep partially in protest. Sure I could have pulled the engine and trans and fixed it, but I was pissed and disgusted by GM.

GM’s biggest failure is not keeping their faithful happy. They found themselves with a lot of repeat customers shopping elsewhere….like me. They have a lot of damage control to do at this point. It will take a lot for them to earn my business again.

However, we need to consider ourselves lucky that they eliminated the urine colored stripe in the interior as shown on the concept. I am sure we can all agree on that

[Steel2686]

Great points, Mark, although I'm sure raising the scale of the interior would up the price tag of what is considered a great bargain right now.

I do understand your pain with GM's problems, however. I share much of that same line of thinking. I'm rooting for GM to blow me away with a vehicle I can get behind and honestly feel it was money well spent. I need to see it first. The Chevy Volt was promising until they released the probable pricing. $40K is just too much money to spend if the very reason I'd buy that car is to save money.

This week, I did the unthinkable. I test drove a 2010 Mustang GT and actually LOVED it. Compared to the Camaro, it lacks the HP, but the car just drives beautifully. The interior is really nice, and the amount of factory customization options impressed me. It has me seriously considering a spring purchase.