Exhaust question

[NorthernSS]

I agree with Knightfire ang just get a cutout. All the performance and sound of a catback but for $30. If not check out Spintech, a buddy has spintech and it sounds awesome. Nice rumble at idle and religious at WOT.

[bigtow]

borla

i have just had a borla cat back adjustble system fitted to my 93 fourmla WOW O WOW IT SOUNDS GREAT and the pluss side is that it is fully adjustble for noise and it wont rot out spend the extra bucks and go for the borla

[fastTa]

I have a Spintech 3" intermediate back, single in single out with tailpipe for sale for only $80. No rust.



http://www.f-body.com/forum/showthre...&threadid=2965

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

Firehawk734, a couple things...

I am now picking up that "734" is probably your area code, which gives me a little better idea of where you are Unfortunately, I am way over on the Lake Michigan Lakeshore, I can swim my way to Milwaukee, WI if I were a polar bear.

I did grow up in Clarkston on the East Side though, and that is where my car is being stored right now, so it wouldn't be totally out of the question to meet up with you. If you decide that's what you want to do, let me know and we'll see if it can work out

No matter what you do, you aren't going to drown out the radio. I have PPC long tube headers, a Corsa cat-back, and no catalytic converters. In short, I am almost NASCAR loud at full throttle. When I am at full throttle, I cant hear the radio, but I would not hang on to my license for very long if I were to constantly driving around at full throttle. Cruising along, it is loud, but I have no problem hearing the radio.

Basically, I think one thing you are going to realize is that there is a time that you DO want the exhaust to be loud. When you hammer the gas pedal, your engine is gonna sing sweeter notes than Britney Spears ever could, and I think you are going to want to be able to hear it. You are going to "get used to" whatever set up you go with, and I think you might find yourself constantly wanting just a little bit louder. Just some food for thought...

EDIT: Also, a simple cat-back system should not void your warranty.

[briantech]

seriously. if all you get is the loudmouth by itself, and you have no other mods, its gonna be perfect. You don't have to go get a headers+ORY+no cats+ loudmouth, that would be too much. I think everyone is over estimating how "unhappy" they would be if their exhaust was too loud. give me a break! It's not gonna be like a jet engine taking off just cause you have a loudmouth.

be a man. get the LM. see how many other people on this board have it? how many of them are saying "man this thing is just way too loud, i can't stand it, wish i'd gotten that muffler system now instead"

my LM is sitting in a box in my living room, and everyday that goes by that my car is still at the progressive repair center is one day darker in my life.

[Christopherrr]

I got a MagnaFlow Catback...and believe me...I wish I would've gonna a Loudmouth...sometimes, I think it's too quite.

[Firehawk734]

Originally posted by briantech
seriously. if all you get is the loudmouth by itself, and you have no other mods, its gonna be perfect. You don't have to go get a headers+ORY+no cats+ loudmouth, that would be too much. I think everyone is over estimating how "unhappy" they would be if their exhaust was too loud. give me a break! It's not gonna be like a jet engine taking off just cause you have a loudmouth.

be a man. get the LM. see how many other people on this board have it? how many of them are saying "man this thing is just way too loud, i can't stand it, wish i'd gotten that muffler system now instead"

my LM is sitting in a box in my living room, and everyday that goes by that my car is still at the progressive repair center is one day darker in my life.

First of all, i definitely dont want the loudmouth because its way too loud for my taste. It sounds obnoxious to me. Ive heard sound clips of it and ive heard it on cars before. Way too loud!

Second, people that get the loud mouth obviously like the loud sound, or they wouldnt have gotten it. I am going to be SURE that i get something i want, because otherwise im stuck with it.

Third, Ive listend to the Magnaflow from soundclips and think they are way too quiet. THe flowmasters seem to be along my lines.

I agree though, I definitely want a good roar when i rev it, I just dont want it sounding obnoxious. And I want to keep the rumble in it as opposed to having a whiney-like sound.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

I would like to make a comment about the sound clips. I got the Dynomax because I didn't want to spend the big bucks on an exhaust. I downloaded all of the sound clips too. I thought the Dynomax sounded the deepest. I can tell you it does not sound like the sound clip. It is deep but it is not as loud as the sound clip led me to believe. It's really hard to choose without hearing them in person. You're right. Your kind of stuck with it when you get it especially if you bought the high dollar Borla or Corsa. The Dynomax was like $250.

Unlike other opinions, I do believe that getting a higher flowing muffler will make more horse power. As I stated before, I ran across a figure that stated the stock muffler flowed 225 CFM. The Dynomax I think was rated at 440 CFM. The Flowmaster was not any better but it is louder.

I looked at the construction more than the way the sound clips sounded. 1 side of the Borla does not go through the muffler. In my opinion, it will be pretty Loud. The Loudmoth uses a resonator which is basically a cherry bomb design. That does not do much either.

The flowmaster and another brand which I can't think of now uses sound redirect baffles to cancel out the sound. They are not all that effective in a 2 chamber design.

I wanted a fiberglass packed muffler because they get a deeper sound and are more effective than the baffle type but don't hurt the flow very much because they are essentially cherry bombs with a turn in the middle. The turn is more effective than the baffles. Try talking to someone down the hall then step inside a door and talk. Sound reflects like radio frequencies. Well they really are frequencies, they are just real low. When they bounce, they scatter in different directions. It's not like a pool ball bouncing off the rail. It's more like throwing a piece of chalk against the wall and watching it scatter in different directions.

My advice is stop every f-body you see and ask them what they have and can you hear it and judge for yourself.

Sorry for the book. I got REAL carried away.

[Firehawk734]

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[Firehawk734]

Originally posted by Jeff 95 Z28
I would like to make a comment about the sound clips. I got the Dynomax because I didn't want to spend the big bucks on an exhaust. I downloaded all of the sound clips too. I thought the Dynomax sounded the deepest. I can tell you it does not sound like the sound clip. It is deep but it is not as loud as the sound clip led me to believe. It's really hard to choose without hearing them in person. You're right. Your kind of stuck with it when you get it especially if you bought the high dollar Borla or Corsa. The Dynomax was like $250.

Unlike other opinions, I do believe that getting a higher flowing muffler will make more horse power. As I stated before, I ran across a figure that stated the stock muffler flowed 225 CFM. The Dynomax I think was rated at 440 CFM. The Flowmaster was not any better but it is louder.

I looked at the construction more than the way the sound clips sounded. 1 side of the Borla does not go through the muffler. In my opinion, it will be pretty Loud. The Loudmoth uses a resonator which is basically a cherry bomb design. That does not do much either.

The flowmaster and another brand which I can't think of now uses sound redirect baffles to cancel out the sound. They are not all that effective in a 2 chamber design.

I wanted a fiberglass packed muffler because they get a deeper sound and are more effective than the baffle type but don't hurt the flow very much because they are essentially cherry bombs with a turn in the middle. The turn is more effective than the baffles. Try talking to someone down the hall then step inside a door and talk. Sound reflects like radio frequencies. Well they really are frequencies, they are just real low. When they bounce, they scatter in different directions. It's not like a pool ball bouncing off the rail. It's more like throwing a piece of chalk against the wall and watching it scatter in different directions.

My advice is stop every f-body you see and ask them what they have and can you hear it and judge for yourself.

Thats good advice about the soundclips and i have already thought about it. The sound clips can give you a roundabout way of how they sound, but you really need to hear the exhausts on cars to get the best judgement.

I know though, that i definitely dont want an SLP loudmouth. Its just not my style. I drive my car around every day in the summer time, I dont just take it to the track and then store it again. I dont want to get annoyed in the cabin by the ridiculous noise it puts out. Its just my opinion about the SLP LM and i know others like it, so its all in your own personal taste.

I want the low roar, but i want a good loudness when i rev it, just not an obnoxious or high pitch sound. I guess ill kinda have to listen to what others have.

Sorry for the book. I got REAL carried away.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

Here's something you can do. Go to http://www.chevrolet.com/cgi-bin/dis...d&brand=Camaro and see if there are any clubs in your area. Call up a local club and see when they will have a get together.

BTW, the Dynomax I have will roar pretty darn good when you get on it. LOL I listen to talk radio a lot now and I wanted to be able to hear the radio. You can hear the exhaust when accelerating but not when your barely on the gas on the highway.

[Firehawk734]

Originally posted by Jeff 95 Z28
Here's something you can do. Go to http://www.chevrolet.com/cgi-bin/dis...d&brand=Camaro and see if there are any clubs in your area. Call up a local club and see when they will have a get together.

BTW, the Dynomax I have will roar pretty darn good when you get on it. LOL I listen to talk radio a lot now and I wanted to be able to hear the radio. You can hear the exhaust when accelerating but not when your barely on the gas on the highway.

Its just my luck that there is no firebird clubs in my area. Only camaro clubs. I contacted one to see if they mingled with the firebirds

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

Originally posted by Firehawk734
Its just my luck that there is no firebird clubs in my area. Only camaro clubs. I contacted one to see if they mingled with the firebirds

Whoever told you a Camaro and Firebird of the same year with the same cat-back will sound different was pulling your leg.

2002's will all use the same stock exhaust manifolds, the same stock y-pipe, and the same cats... thus the only difference will be the cat-back.

Listening to different cat-backs on an LS1 Camaro will definitely help you make your decision.

[Jay 02 TA ws6]

Originally posted by Firehawk734
I agree though, I definitely want a good roar when i rev it, I just dont want it sounding obnoxious. And I want to keep the rumble in it as opposed to having a whiney-like sound.

Sounding more and more like you need to take a closer look at Corsa...

As far as loudness goes, man... in all honesty, I pulled off my stock cat-back on a Friday night, and installed the aftermarket system on a Saturday morning. That Friday night, I went for a little cruise with no muffler on it at all I expected it would be much much louder than it really was.

Now that I have taken off the catalytic converters, and installed the long tube headers, I can honestly tell you that I am MUCH louder than I was without the muffler,

Long-tube headers + offroad y-pipe + muffler = WAY louder than stock manifolds + stock cats + stock y-pipe + NO muffler. What I am trying to say is that no matter what you do with a cat-back, I don't think you are really going to end up with anything that you would find "obnoxious". The big changes come when you mess with the headers and the converters.

I am certainly not trying to argue with your tastes, just trying to give you as much information as possible. I don't want you to go with a system, and then grow used to it and be tired of it a month later.

When I had the Corsa installed with all the factory maifolds and y-pipe still in place, it was actually quieter than stock inside the car at cruise RPMs. No lie. Outside, it would explode at WOT, but it would always give a very nice sound inside the car.

[Firehawk734]

Originally posted by Jay 02 TA ws6
Sounding more and more like you need to take a closer look at Corsa...

As far as loudness goes, man... in all honesty, I pulled off my stock cat-back on a Friday night, and installed the aftermarket system on a Saturday morning. That Friday night, I went for a little cruise with no muffler on it at all I expected it would be much much louder than it really was.

Now that I have taken off the catalytic converters, and installed the long tube headers, I can honestly tell you that I am MUCH louder than I was without the muffler,

Long-tube headers + offroad y-pipe + muffler = WAY louder than stock manifolds + stock cats + stock y-pipe + NO muffler. What I am trying to say is that no matter what you do with a cat-back, I don't think you are really going to end up with anything that you would find "obnoxious". The big changes come when you mess with the headers and the converters.

I am certainly not trying to argue with your tastes, just trying to give you as much information as possible. I don't want you to go with a system, and then grow used to it and be tired of it a month later.

When I had the Corsa installed with all the factory maifolds and y-pipe still in place, it was actually quieter than stock inside the car at cruise RPMs. No lie. Outside, it would explode at WOT, but it would always give a very nice sound inside the car.

I dont mind you giving me your advice one bit. You sound like you are pretty knowledgeable at this stuff. I on the other hand can change the oil, air filter, oil filter, put gas in it, and rotate the tires, and thats about the extent of what i know.

I probably need to hear the cars with the systems on them and then determine what I like. Its almost like buying a house. YOu walk around through several of them and you just know it is the right one for you when you see it. Same with this. Thats how I am. Ican explain all day long what im wanting, hell, maybe im not sure i know exactly what I want. I just know that ive heard the SLP loudmouth up close and personal and did not like it one bit. lol

The premium stock exhaust that my car has on it from the WS6 package, i love the sound of that inside the cabin. I would guess that that is a fairly low sounding cabin exhaust. If it were a bit deeper and louder for the cabin area, that would be perfect. MY friend had a flowmaster on his 95 Formula and I loved it. It was nice and deep rumbling, and it had pretty good loudness when he floored it, but not screaming loud.

You talk about cats, pipes, blhah blah etc, i can use common sense to deduce what you mean as far as the piping but i really have no idea about converters, etc. SOrry lol



Perhaps i could take a nice cozy drive out to HOlland one weekend and listen to your cars? I love to drive the Trans Am, so might as well head out that way one day .

IF i do anything, it probably wont be until mid to late summer anyways.