NFB: Kerry's speech -- thoughts?

[Kevin - Blown 95 TA]

......... rather take that money write a bill and give every american healthcare because what happens when you have millions of americans with no healthcare? you create poverty and harsh times. shame on conservatives for looking the other way....

Well, us conservatives are constantly having legislation blocked which would limit frivolous malpractice lawsuits and lower the cost of health care. We also believe that, while you have the freedom of religion, free speech, etc. , you do not necessarily have the right to free health care. I, and the company I work for, pay for my health care and I don't necessarily care to pay for free health care for the guys down on 42nd Avenue who are hanging out and drinking 40 ouncers & smoking crack while I'm at work for 10 hours a day. Maybe you would be happier in a socialist governed country. If you are so righteous about providing for the needy, then why don't you sell your car and donate the money to your nearest homeless shelter? Or do you just want to talk the talk?

[texanmutt]

The amount of people that are homeless and welfare seems to be pretty large.

Anyone who tries to work hard and improve themselves genrally wont find themselves homeless or on welfare. Most of these poeple who are homeless and on walfare (for a very long time) are the ones that dont want to improve themselves and make their life better, they just want a handout. This country gives people many oppertunties to suceed, but you have to take them. The government should not be responsible for giving people handouts. A helping hand yes, but no free rides. Alot of people are in those situations because they want to be or because they wont apply themselves to get out of it.

[texanmutt]

Well, us conservatives are constantly having legislation blocked which would limit frivolous malpractice lawsuits and lower the cost of health care. We also believe that, while you have the freedom of religion, free speech, etc. , you do not necessarily have the right to free health care. I, and the company I work for, pay for my health care and I don't necessarily care to pay for free health care for the guys down on 42nd Avenue who are hanging out and drinking 40 ouncers & smoking crack while I'm at work for 10 hours a day. Maybe you would be happier in a socialist governed country. If you are so righteous about providing for the needy, then why don't you sell your car and donate the money to your nearest homeless shelter? Or do you just want to talk the talk?

I'll agree. The government is not responsible for providing health care. If the government were to get involved in suppling health care, it would be worthless. Anything the government gets it's hands into always gets messed up. That's why capitolism is very good. Competition inproves many goods and services. If the government controled everything, we would be extremly poor like Russia. You think poverty is a big problem here, you must be out of your mind.

[texanmutt]

-- Raising the minimum wage... it doesnt just effect the minimum wage people, it effects everyone. Say you have 3 tiers - $6 , $7, $8. The minimum wage is bumped to $7... well the tier above him makes $7... so they have to be moved up to $8, well the tier above them makes $8... so they have to be moved up to $9. Now the company is spending more to run the business, and is makeing less. So they have to raise their prices on goods... guess who pays more - you, me and the minimum wage person. Everything we buy that is run or created by employees will be more expensive. ... doesnt mase sense.

Anyone who doesnt want to work for minimum wage doesnt have to. There are alot of jobs that require no formal training that pay higher than minimum wage, but they require you to work. Getting an education will keep you from working for minimum wage, but that too requires effort. Minimum jobs are not for people trying to support a family, they are mainly for teenagers and students. Anyone who is trying to support a faimliy with a minimum wage jobs is dumb. They need to apply themselves and get a better job, not look for another government handout.

[paxton350]

Well, us conservatives are constantly having legislation blocked which would limit frivolous malpractice lawsuits and lower the cost of health care. We also believe that, while you have the freedom of religion, free speech, etc. , you do not necessarily have the right to free health care. I, and the company I work for, pay for my health care and I don't necessarily care to pay for free health care for the guys down on 42nd Avenue who are hanging out and drinking 40 ouncers & smoking crack while I'm at work for 10 hours a day. Maybe you would be happier in a socialist governed country. If you are so righteous about providing for the needy, then why don't you sell your car and donate the money to your nearest homeless shelter? Or do you just want to talk the talk?

this is the richest country in the world and no single mother who has 3 kids who can only manage to work 15 hours a week to care for her family should not be denied healthcare becasue she works part time or doesnt have the money. healthcare is expensive, very expensive my company pays 3500/ year for me plus i have co- pays. ppl who drive around in limos who make 200k plus a year dont need a break! its the working class like those single mothers and ppl who are struggling with their minimum wage jobs @ 30 or 40 years old. you obviously have never been in those shoes so i can see how you dont understand.

[Kevin - Blown 95 TA]

this is the richest country in the world and no single mother who has 3 kids who can only manage to work 15 hours a week to care for her family should not be denied healthcare becasue she works part time or doesnt have the money. healthcare is expensive, very expensive my company pays 3500/ year for me plus i have co- pays. ppl who drive around in limos who make 200k plus a year dont need a break! its the working class like those single mothers and ppl who are struggling with their minimum wage jobs @ 30 or 40 years old. you obviously have never been in those shoes so i can see how you dont understand.

Well, I've never been a single mother with three kids, true, but when I was just out of the Navy I was earning $3.10 an hour straight time including Saturdays, and I didn't look for anybody to pay my way for food, shelter, or medical care. I was dirt poor - had $100 to live (gas & food)on per month after paying for the apartment, a broke-down motorcycle with a leaky gas tank for a ride, but I drug myself out of it and worked my way up the ladder. Your mom with three kids, more often than not, is a result of the welfare system which fosters the irresponsible single parent-multiple child situation. It's indeed tragic for the kids, but they, too, have a chance to change their "victim" status through the educational system. Look at how well some of the first generation immigrants have done. They take their education seriously, work hard, and make a successful life for themselves & their families. You give that mom a handout, she's not going to spend it on the kids. She's going to party. You take the kids away to put them in a good home, the ACLU will scream.

Like I said, you should put your money where your mouth is and sponsor some of those families. You don't need all that expensive speed equipment on your car - just sell it and donate the money. Think of how good it will make you feel to to not be a hypocrite. It will be good practice for when and if your party gets their way and taxes us into oblivion to support all of your single moms in the lifestyle that you/they think they deserve.

[texanmutt]

this is the richest country in the world and no single mother who has 3 kids who can only manage to work 15 hours a week to care for her family should not be denied healthcare becasue she works part time or doesnt have the money. healthcare is expensive, very expensive my company pays 3500/ year for me plus i have co- pays. ppl who drive around in limos who make 200k plus a year dont need a break! its the working class like those single mothers and ppl who are struggling with their minimum wage jobs @ 30 or 40 years old. you obviously have never been in those shoes so i can see how you dont understand.

A single mom who works 15 hours a week has got some issues. My ex-sister-in-law (who has a 5 year old) works 40 hours a week and goes to school full time so she can become an eye doctor. My brother doesnt live close enough to care for their kid. She takes her child to the salvation army day care center ( which is free) during the day, and takes her to my parents at night when she is working at an optometry department (but not for minimum wage). She is being helped by a program for single mom's. They pay for her apartment but she has to be working and going to school, but she can only stay this program for a few years. One day she will be making more money than most of us do and will not have to work about money, but she has to and does apply herself. There are many ways to get a helping hand to get you through a tough situation, but you have to work hard. Those people riding around in limos making 200k a year got there because they worked at it or inherited that life from someone who did work at it. Why should they have to give more of their share. That's kind of like punishing someone for suceeding. That takes the incentive out of working hard. I come from a lower middle class family. If I open up a company and make millions of dollars one day, why should I have to give a higher percentage for taxes. It would be my hard work that would get me there. Why should i give any money for someone who is lazy and blames their problems on the president and everyone else but themselves.

[RangerBob]

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime). On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & #5).

Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year." On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland. Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released? Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?> On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive. On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was activing as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.>

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President .. having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication Team -Director AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy SEALs
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I served 21 years in the US Army. I would never call Kerry a War Hero. I would call him something else, but this is a clean board. I hate him and everything his band of Lefty Weirdos (that has taken over the Democratic party) stand for today.

[RangerBob]

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If it truly is a war on "terrorism" why aren't we in Iran? Isn't that where most of the terrorists are?

If we are trying to help the Iraqi economy why don't we hire Iraqi's to do more of the work, such as truck driving and physical labor? Most of the employees for those companies are not from Iraq. I understand the threat of intel and what not on US bases over there, that problem occured in a couple of camps.

Iran and North Korea.... Next on the list I would say.
The terrorists are coming from Iran, Syria, Jordan and all other Arab countries.
It is better to have them come to Iraq to get killed, instead of us going to get them and alienating another population.

Do you know how many Iraqis that work at US bases have been murdered. A lot of them! A maid I knew was killed coming home from work, because she worked at the base.

I can't say anymore on an open forum.

Bob

[Joe 1320]

Iran and The terrorists are coming from Iran, Syria, Jordan and all other Arab countries.
It is better to have them come to Iraq to get killed, instead of us going to get them and alienating another population.

Yes indeed, you hit the nail right on the head.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime). On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & #5).

Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year." On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland. Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released? Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?> On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive. On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was activing as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.>

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President .. having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication Team -Director AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy SEALs
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I served 21 years in the US Army. I would never call Kerry a War Hero. I would call him something else, but this is a clean board. I hate him and everything his band of Lefty Weirdos (that has taken over the Democratic party) stand for today.

WOW! That is very interesting. I wonder why he wasn't brought up on charges. Sounds like he had some family connections. Aren't the Democrats saying that about Bush? Very interesting.

[paxton350]

[QUOTE=texanmutt]Those people riding around in limos making 200k a year got there because they worked at it or inherited that life from someone who did work at it. Why should they have to give more of their share. That's kind of like punishing someone for suceeding. QUOTE]

Some people who inherit money are lazy and should be in the highest tax bracket. i personally know someone who inherited a lot of money and abuses drugs etc. u think he should have a breakfrom taxes on his lifestyle and the amount of money he inherited vs the ppl who work 40 hours a week, thats the most retardedest thing i think ive ever heard anyone say.......

[AmericanZ28]

Well, I've never been a single mother with three kids, true, but when I was just out of the Navy I was earning $3.10 an hour straight time including Saturdays, and I didn't look for anybody to pay my way for food, shelter, or medical care. I was dirt poor - had $100 to live (gas & food)on per month after paying for the apartment, a broke-down motorcycle with a leaky gas tank for a ride, but I drug myself out of it and worked my way up the ladder..

Would you have been able to do this if you had three kids? This is quite a success story, and I tip my hat to you for having been able to pull yourself out of a bad situation. However, I think youd be singing a whole different tune if you had to care for three kids, or even one for that matter. Furthermore, in no way should a success story justify ignorance.

Your mom with three kids, more often than not, is a result of the welfare system which fosters the irresponsible single parent-multiple child situation. It's indeed tragic for the kids, but they, too, have a chance to change their "victim" status through the educational system. Look at how well some of the first generation immigrants have done. They take their education seriously, work hard, and make a successful life for themselves & their families. You give that mom a handout, she's not going to spend it on the kids. She's going to party. You take the kids away to put them in a good home, the ACLU will scream.

There is an inductive fallacy in this argument. You're making a hasty generalization based on a delusional idea. Unless you have a credible source statisticaly stating that the vast majority of single parents on welfare spend it on "partying," your argument becomes an irrelevant consclusion of your own beliefs. There are far too many factors that can determine the outcome of a poor family. Access to an educational facility (if any) does not guarantee success, as you claim it does. This can be due to a vast array of reasons, such as resources, quality of teachers, and classroom conditions.

I work in Downtown Los Angeles as a field technician, and I've run across quite a few people making six figure incomes that were once dirt poor, and living on the streets. Most of them give credit to the goverment programs available for helping them get on their feet. "It's all about opportunity, but its up to the person to exploit it," one man told me.

Like I said, you should put your money where your mouth is and sponsor some of those families. You don't need all that expensive speed equipment on your car - just sell it and donate the money. Think of how good it will make you feel to to not be a hypocrite. It will be good practice for when and if your party gets their way and taxes us into oblivion to support all of your single moms in the lifestyle that you/they think they deserve.

So unless you make it out of poverty without help from anyone, you dont deserve good lifestyle? When I was going to school, half of the students were in their 30's and 40's, and most were at one point or another, on some form of government support program. Most of them already had a job at the time of graduation. Does this mean that they will not deserve the lifestyle they have ahead of them?

[Dave M]

We can turn this in to a link-fest of supposed facts bellitling the character of politicians that we don't neccesarily care for, however the unfledged and noncerebral premise by which this is based doesn't belong in this joint and it doesn't prove to be of any real value.

Everyone makes mistakes making not one human being on earth exempt from being perfect. Bush is only human and Kerry is only human, so to wager a debate on the morality of their character doesn't help o solve the crime.

The botom line is that this country was founded on the word of God (believe or not nowadays). Everything thing that our forefathers have done within the realm of things historically proven beneficial to our country and it's people, were done so by their faith and loyalty to God.

George W. Bush is man of God and his doiing his damndest to run his country the way he would see God run it. Is everone going to like him because of this? Apparently not when some of our own so called Americans wanted the word God removed from the Pledge of Allegiance, some of our own so called Americans wanted to keep a monument of the Ten Commandments from being displayed in an Alabama judicial building, some of our own so called Americans wanted to remove "In God We Trust" from all American currency, and worst of all some of our own so called Americans wanted to allow gay marriages.

Kerry sees no problem with the complete irradication of public religion altogether, and he has no problem with allowing the lawfully declared unity of two SINFUL homosexuls. That is all you have to know about Kerry to know that Christianity is the last of his concerns.

God bless George W. Bush for doing moral best and God help us all if we allow Kerry to take over.

The constitution prohibits government support of any religion. Americans come from nearly every ethnic and cutural background imaginable. Not every one of those cultures is Christian. Because something is declared in the Bible does not make it law. It may make it God's law, which in turn may make it your law, but you have no right to impart your beliefs and expectations onto others. This country was founded on freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof, and for you to restrict individuals rights and call them unamerican because their beliefs disagree with yours reeks of a lot of things, of them good. I am disapointed that there are people who feel so strongly about there beliefs (whether they are political, religious, or other) that they would condemn and ridicule those who don't hold those same beliefs.

[Dave M]

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime). On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & #5).

Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year." On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland. Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released? Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?> On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive. On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was activing as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.>

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President .. having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication Team -Director AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy SEALs
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I served 21 years in the US Army. I would never call Kerry a War Hero. I would call him something else, but this is a clean board. I hate him and everything his band of Lefty Weirdos (that has taken over the Democratic party) stand for today.

I certainly can't claim to have been at these demonstrations or in Vietnam. But if the above charges were indeed true to the extent that this post makes them seem, not only would John Kerry not be a Senator or Presidential candidate, he would likely be in prison for treason, perjury, and conspiracy to commit murder. These quotes were taken out of context, and there is a story or explanation behind them like there is any charge made against anyone.

Protesting a war does not make you a sympathiser of the enemy, a treasonist, unamerican, or anything else. Your right to that opinion is protected under the law. As I said, I was not at these demonstrations so I don't know if the Vietcong flag was displayed or if Senators were threatened. Assuming those things happened, is there evidence Kerry encouraged those ideas or actions?

What proof is there that Kerry lied under oathe? War crimes did indeed happen in Vietnam, on both sides of the line. I'm not doubting your claims yet, I would just like to see some evidence other than a man's word.

Is it possible the man went off to serve his country, saw the horrors of war (a particularly brutal war), and decided it was not right? He should still be obligated to finish his military service, but should you be forced into fighting for a cause you don't agree with?

As I've said in previous posts, no politician will ever be remotely perfect, too may compromises have to be made. People do stupid things when they're young (and old). There will be skeletons in every closet, just like there would be in any one of ours' if we ran for president.

Again, I want to stress that I am not defending Kerry, I just feel a dissenting voice needs to be heard. Bush has not done a horrible job with what he's been given, but he too is far from perfect.