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[95TransAm]

I myself am not a fan of war. I hate it. Two of my good friends are marines, and an even better friend is a Ranger who just came back from Iraq about 2 months ago or so. He's told me some of the things he had witnessed, and I could never imagine going through what those brave people are going through each and every day. I truly wish this world was civilized enough that we could discuss our problems in a civil manner and come to a mutual agreement. Unfortunately, most don't think like me. Was it civilized for Saddam to gas the Kurds for uprising against him. Ask any of the family members of those people if Saddam has WMD's, i guarantee their answer will be different from what Kerry and liberal media is stating. Bush isn't a perfect man, no one is, but he did something very gutsy. Anyone who takes a dramatic course of action before something happens will always have criticism, but what would have happened if he didn't take Saddam out of power. Lord only knows what that antichrist could have done in the future. We need to learn from our mistakes in the past. Look what happened when no one took care of Hitler and he got too much power, the holocaust. If the world and the U.S. would have taken action against him sooner, that might have been prevented, but FDR would have been blamed for rushing something, just like Bush is being blamed. Also, let's not forget where Bush was getting his information from.

~The CIA (although now proven to have had false information) stated that they were certain that Saddam had WMD's and needed to be dealt with. How come i don't hear as many liberals blaming George Tenet as much as Bush. But to tell you the truth, many liberals i know don't even know who George Tenet is when i ask them.
~Russia and KGB Intelligence stated that Saddam had WMD's and needed to be taken care of.
~British Intelligence (MI-6) stated the Saddam had WMD's and needed to be dealt with immediately.
~John Kerry himself stated that he felt Iraq was a country with WMD capabilities and needed to be stopped.

The list can go on. If you are a good president, how can you ignore this.
I'm not bashing anyone, everyone has the freedom of speech and opinion, a couple examples of what makes this country so great, but i often hear so many people (mostly people around my age and im 19) bashing and hating bush, but yet cannot give a legitimate example of why they hate him. I think more people should actually read up on their history and current events in thorough detail before they point a finger. If you are about to make a claim, please be able to back it up with 10 examples off the top of your head.

[TODD 2000 V6 CAMARO]

That is exactly like some of the people that I work with, one guy the other day told me, with as much venom as could be mustered, that "Bush is a moron, just an idiot!" Now this is a Canadian, who really, in my opinion, has no place to be saying that to an american (much less a Texan ) such as myself. But, i asked him why he thinks that and to give me a few good reasons...all he could come up with was the "No WMD's argument." I tell ya, Bush's detractors will hammer the ever lovin crap out of that pitiful excuse, becuase it is their "best" argument. But, as we all know, he had WMD's....he used them to kill thousands of Kurds, his own people! Tell them he had no WMD's! And this horse manure and gunpowder drivel? Get a clue, man. You don't kill thousands with horse manure and gun powder. The best use I can think of for that mixture is for anyone who votes for Kerry to be drug out into the street and shot in the face with a ball of their own s&*$.

[gimp19]

Most of you guys just cant handle other opionions, terroeism can not be stoped.
although though I never wanted Bush in office I think he did a decent job in the
first couple months following 911. Osoma needs 110% of our attention, diverting most of it to a 10+ year fued the Bush family has had with Sadaam and shielding it with 911. Is absolutly disgusting, there are alot of countries in dictatorships are we going to attack all of them? I'll tell you one thing I dont feel any safer from a terrorist attack then I did three years ago, Bush is looking more and more like one everyday.

[gimp19]

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=569200

[SteveH95Formula]

OK heres my home made bumper sticker on my feelings in this manner.
Crude but true!

[TraceZ]

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=569200

OK, that article is crap IMO, and here is why.

"If that were not enough, almost every day brings new reminders of how Mr Bush's main rationale for the war * the threat posed by Saddam's supposed arsenal of illicit chemical, biological and nuclear weapons * has crumbled."

The rationale for war was not Mr. Bush's. It was the worlds. It was not Bush who just randomly decided one day that there was a threat from "Saddam's supposed arsenal of illicit chemical, biological and nuclear weapons" There was intelligence from many different countries that brought about this rationale. Our own senate including John Kerry approved use of force and they knew exactly what that approval meant. It meant war.

It is this mentality of blaming Bush that liberals just cannot let go. Why is it so hard to understand? These WMD facts have been beaten over and over on this forum, in many threads and some people still dont understand it. It is a dead horse at this point, or a pile of dust where there was once a horse.

1) GLOBAL intelligence from MANY agencies said there were WMD
2) Sadam used them to kill THOUSANDS of his own people
3) Sadam was sympathetic to terror groups.
4) There were terror training camps in Iraq.

the 4 points above are undisputable hard fact. Now you do the math. what do 1+2+3+4 equal? As president of the US, just after 9/11, what would you do? Would you sit on your hands like a pansy and wait for another possibly larger attack? Would the 18th UN resolution finally make Saddam cave when the first 17 failed?

If he didnt invade Iraq, and there was an attack, how would America judge him? He made some hard decisions. I believe he made them as best as anyone could. I would had likely made the same decisions given the same time, information and circumstances.

It's not fair to take information we now know today and use it to judge decisions that were made before that information was known. Hindsight is 20/20.

Lets be fair and let the Bush hate go. There is so much hate and blame about this subject that it is getting to unhealthy levels. Bush is a good man and a patriot that has had some very hard decisions to make. He has stood behind them with honor and strength even though many people find it unpopular.

He doesn't have to be everyones hero, but at least give credit where credit is due. He has not had an easy job.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

Most of you guys just cant handle other opionions, terroeism can not be stoped.
although though I never wanted Bush in office I think he did a decent job in the
first couple months following 911. Osoma needs 110% of our attention, diverting most of it to a 10+ year fued the Bush family has had with Sadaam and shielding it with 911. Is absolutly disgusting, there are alot of countries in dictatorships are we going to attack all of them? I'll tell you one thing I dont feel any safer from a terrorist attack then I did three years ago, Bush is looking more and more like one everyday.

That's not even close to true. I can handle other opinions if the opinion is backed up by facts and logical thinking. Saying he is an idiot (not that you said that) is not a fact. It is an opinion. Now if you can base that opinion on facts, I will listen to it. For example, here is a fact (from http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004a.html ) Kerry said "And Iraq is not even the center of the focus of the war on terror." Analysis, Iraq isn't the center of terrorism. Then Kerry said "The president just talked about Iraq as a center of the war on terror. Iraq was not even close to the center of the war on terror before the president invaded it." Analysis, Since he inserted the word before now it means Iraq wasn't the center but now it is the center. Which is it that he believes? That is debatable. It is not an opinion. Now here is an opinion, Kerry said "We didn't need that tax cut." Kerry may not have needed a tax cut but I sure did.

No one can totally stop terrorism but it certainly can by curbed.

Question, Kerry said "You don't send troops to war without the body armor that they need." So why did he vote against the money needed to buy the body armor?

Saying that the war to liberate Iraq is just a feud between Saddam and Bush is an opinion and is ignoring a bunch of facts.
1. Saddam violated 17 UN resolutions. Resolution I think 681 gave any member state the authority to use force against Saddam. That gave Bush "international legal" authority to remove Saddam. That is a fact.
2. Every country in he world and UN said that Saddam had WMD's. that is a fact.
3. Saddam used WMD's against the kerds and Iran. That is a fact.
4. Saddam was actively preventing the UN inspectors from inspecting what they wanted to inspect. He would not give them access to everything which was another violation of the UN resolutions.
5. I was watching TV during the beginning of the Iraq conflict. The reporter asked the cameraman to pan over at a trailer that was off the road behind some trees with a camouflage net over it. The US troops went over and removed the net. It was an Al-sumud2 missile I think. It had a range greater than what Saddam was allowed to have by the UN resolution. I saw it with my own 2 eyes live when it happened. That is a fact that no one can tell me is not because I saw it.

With that kind of evidence, any body in their right mind would have done what Bush did. Clinton attacked Saddam too.

From day 1 the Bush administration has said that there was no direct connection between Saddam and 911. The democrats have been saying that the republicans said it or they tried to lead you believe that their was but they did not.

It is true that their are a lot of other countries that have bad stuff too but they do not have 17 UN resolutions against them to get rid of them. We are in the beginning negotiations with those countries to not pursue WMD's. If the UN and countries like France, Germany, and Russia would stand up for what is right instead of what fills their pocket with money, we wouldn't be having this debate.

BTW I do feel safer now than I did on 9/11.

If Bush is a terrorist, what does that make Bin Laden? A poor innocent misunderstand victim?

[alenstein]

News Update on WMD's.
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...01&floc=NW_1-T

[TraceZ]

News Update on WMD's.
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...01&floc=NW_1-T

Bush is not admitting that he knew in 2001 that Sadam had no WMD. He is admitting that he NOW knows Sadam had no WMD. big difference.

The media is trying to "spin" it now to smear Bush and make it look like he knew these things back before the war, which is not true. This is typical deception on the part of our wonderful press.

remind me who owns CNN once.... Oh yeah, it is the bleading heart liberal Ted Turner, isnt it?

[fastTa]

Bush is not admitting that he knew in 2001 that Sadam had no WMD. He is admitting that he NOW knows Sadam had no WMD. big difference.

The media is trying to "spin" it now to smear Bush and make it look like he knew these things back before the war, which is not true. This is typical deception on the part of our wonderful press.

remind me who owns CNN once.... Oh yeah, it is the bleading heart liberal Ted Turner, isnt it?

Exactly.

And another big hitter in the Bush smearing and distorting and politics in general for that matter is Newsweek (MSNBC), and guess who heads up this major news network....... other that the liberal himself Bill Gates.

[SteveH95Formula]

Hmmm no wonder the Democrats seem to hang out at cnn.com and the republicans hang out at www.foxnews.com
I've been wonding that the deal was!

[TraceZ]

Hmmm no wonder the Democrats seem to hang out at cnn.com and the republicans hang out at www.foxnews.com
I've been wonding that the deal was!

Yeah, CNN nad MSNBC are really far left. Fox is only slightly to the right. Out of all major news agencies Fox is closest to the center, IMO. "fair and balanced" is what they claim.

[1995z28]

Yeah!!, we found our own WMD's!! We supplied those to him in the iran-iraq war.
How nice of us (Reagan administration).




[QUOTE=Jeff 95 Z28]1 at a time

No WMD's. Not true at all. 1 saran gas mortar and ~10 mustard gas shells. All banned WMD's found in Iraq. Case closed. Weapons found.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

[QUOTE=1995z28]Yeah!!, we found our own WMD's!! We supplied those to him in the iran-iraq war.
How nice of us (Reagan administration).

1 at a time

No WMD's. Not true at all. 1 saran gas mortar and ~10 mustard gas shells. All banned WMD's found in Iraq. Case closed. Weapons found.

The morter shell was labeled "MADE IN FRANCE" and had a 2001 date on it.