Barack Obama projected WINNER!!!!

[88tagta]

Please answer these two questions:

What exactly did Bush do that caused energy prices to spike?

What exactly did Bush do that caused the default on debt?

If this "mess" is Bush's fault, I expect a really really good answer to these two questions.

I agree there is a policy problem with both, but there are a number of players and special interests involved over several decades. Bush is a scapegoat and an excuse to continue the special interest agenda that caused the problems in the first place.

Furthermore, it is extremely scary that the environmentalist agenda will push their policy and the consequences that go with it, and everybody will continue to believe the consequences are Bush's fault. It is also scary that socialism will distribute wealth, waste it, and everybody will continue to believe the consequences are Bush's fault.

so if it wasnt bush's fault was it clinton's? Because he was pres and we never had these problems to the serious levels that they are at now. So obama is pres and if he fails its his fault? I dont understand how. Obama wasnt our pres the last 8 years which in those 8 years our ecconomy has decreased while bush was in office. And talkin bout loosing jobs, how many of GM's and ford factories have been shut down. Im talkin about hundreds of thousands jobs gone! Try and blame that on obama. You cant simply cause he was not pres. So yes i do beleive that our economy depression is bush's fault. You cant put blame on somebody thats tryin to help and that wasn't in office when it occured. Thats like sayin 911 happened because of Obama.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

so if it wasnt bush's fault was it clinton's? Because he was pres and we never had these problems to the serious levels that they are at now. So obama is pres and if he fails its his fault? I dont understand how. Obama wasnt our pres the last 8 years which in those 8 years our ecconomy has decreased while bush was in office. And talkin bout loosing jobs, how many of GM's and ford factories have been shut down. Im talkin about hundreds of thousands jobs gone! Try and blame that on obama. You cant simply cause he was not pres. So yes i do beleive that our economy depression is bush's fault. You cant put blame on somebody thats tryin to help and that wasn't in office when it occured. Thats like sayin 911 happened because of Obama.

Actually A great deal of the problem was created while Clinton was president. Before you blame anybody you need to study the history of what happened. Here is a good place to start http://www.f-body.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21791

[FroSSty]

thats president obama to you lol. i think he'll do ok. i dont think it could be any worst than what bush did.

wow... maybe you should read the whole thread before posting...Why is our economy in the toilet? A MAJOR factor is the housing/banking problems...Who is truly to blame for this? As it was earlier shown, illustrated, PROVEN, your buddy CLINTON and his cronies. Yes that's right. It took more than ten years for his plan to flourish. Thanks Bill...and YOU just elected someone who's record is worse than Billy's. Thank you too.
Oh and by the way, I'll let you guess who is now catches ALL of the blame for that...W...

[markd79ta]

so if it wasnt bush's fault was it clinton's? Because he was pres and we never had these problems to the serious levels that they are at now. So obama is pres and if he fails its his fault? I dont understand how. Obama wasnt our pres the last 8 years which in those 8 years our ecconomy has decreased while bush was in office. And talkin bout loosing jobs, how many of GM's and ford factories have been shut down. Im talkin about hundreds of thousands jobs gone! Try and blame that on obama. You cant simply cause he was not pres. So yes i do beleive that our economy depression is bush's fault. You cant put blame on somebody thats tryin to help and that wasn't in office when it occured. Thats like sayin 911 happened because of Obama.

If I understand your gramer, I will answer your question. First, decisions are made in cooperation with the president and the Congress. In 1994, Clinton’s congress changed to the Republican Party, and his policies were rejected…the Congress ran the show. After this happened, Clinton was for the most part a lame duck president. Sure, he likes to take credit for the agenda of the Congress. Who controls Congress today? Hint: It is the Democrats not the Republicans. Where are they in all this? Obama has a Democratic congress when he takes office so he Pelosi, and Reid make the decisions…all of them.

We are faced with two major issues. In 2003, President Bush called for reforming Fannie May and Freddie Mac. The Democrats led by Senator Dodd refused to reign in on sub-prime lending. Obama supported Dodd on this. President Clinton and the 103rd Congress(that’s ’93 and ’94 if you didn’t know), opened the door to the explosion on sub-prime lending, how is that Bush’s fault especially when he called for reform five years before the meltdown?

Obama, Pelosi, and Reid will secure energy resources to sustain our infrastructure or they won’t. So, tell me how years of bad energy policy and fighting exploration is Bush’s fault when he is the one pushing exploration. Now, part of this stupidity is his father’s fault. And, every elected official with the short-sighted approach on this is to blame. Obama does not support exploration so we will continue to be vulnerable on this front unless he does something.

If Obama, Reid, and Pelosi bow down to environmental special interests on energy policy as well as destroy business with over regulation and taxation, that is all them. If you don’t research the history of this, how can you know what happened? …or what policies work or not? Furthermore, the decisions made by these three elected officials will lead to a path of recovery or a recession similar to that of the 70s. I will not accept excuses from this man if his policies are making the problems worse. He is already making excuses and he hasn’t even taken office. His proposals on the campaign trail will cause problems; we will see what happens. …and, of course, he will be criticized for missteps along the way. He is in the hot seat now. We shall see if he goes MIA like he did on his pet project in Chicago.

Also, please answer the two questions. Please explain to me what Bush exactly did; I will not accept some general statement that it is his fault.

I think you missed my point. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are responsible for their own decisions in the next two years.

PS

As far as the big 3, blame management, unions, and the American people for not buying them.

[gimp19]

No matter what one sides gonna blame the other, I'm offically ingnoring this thread. Give the man a chance he hasnt even steppedn the w-house yet.

[FroSSty]

he hasnt even steppedn the w-house yet.

Yep, and already he is making some wise choices...(see above posts)

[Joshu]

[markd79ta]

Since Obama wants to raise taxes and create more regulation during a recession. I think we have a new term to spread among the masses.
Hocus Pocus Economics

Those so enchanted by this guy, will learn what this means.

[Jeff_in_Atl]

http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...uses_obsessive

[FroSSty]

http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...uses_obsessive

obama zombification...

[Kevin - Blown 95 TA]

I was talking to a guy today at the gun club who is a business owner who manufactures aerospace parts and employs about a hundred people. His company, like a lot of others, is hurting from the economic downturn, so he was very discouraged to see Obama win the election and knew that things were only going to get worse for his business. He dcided that he was going to have to lay off six or seven people to stay profitable in the future, but was struggling with who to lay off. He was walking through his parking lot an saw several cars with Obama bumper stickers and promptly made out the pink slips and gave them to those employees.

So now they get to sit at home and do nothing and get paid for it, and have those who work pay their way and have the Democratic party provide them with all of their needs by redistributing the wealth. Funny how things work out.

[Joshu]

He was walking through his parking lot an saw several cars with Obama bumper stickers and promptly made out the pink slips and gave them to those employees.

That's not illegal at all.
I guess he doesn't like worker's first amendment rights to freedom of expression. Some American right there

[Jeff_in_Atl]

That's not illegal at all.
I guess he doesn't like worker's first amendment rights to freedom of expression. Some American right there

I Don't know about Wisconsin but it's perfectly legal in Georgia. Georgia is a right to hire/fire state. That means you don't have to give a reason to fire somebody.

BTW the constitution only guarantees your rights in a court of law. That's it. It does not guarantee your rights any other place like where you work. Sorry but you do not have a right to free speech at work. If you believe you do go into work tomorrow and exercise your free speech "rights". Call your boss a SOB, fing whatever bla bla bla then come back on here and let us know how it went.

[Kevin - Blown 95 TA]

That's not illegal at all.
I guess he doesn't like worker's first amendment rights to freedom of expression. Some American right there

There's nothing at all illegal about it. They have not been interfered with in exercising their right to free speech. No one told them they couldn't put bumper stickers on their cars and show the world that they support an inexperienced socialist. Do you think free speech means you can say anything you want to at any time with no repercussions or criticisms ever? A company owner can fire a guy for bad breath, BO, or just because he doesn't like him. And he can lay off anyone he wants to. What is your problem with that?

BTW, have you ever served your country in any way?

[Joshu]

BTW, have you ever served your country in any way?

I was enrolled with the Air Force ROTC at the University of Pittsburgh (PITT) for a year and a half. I was going to be a navigator. Medical issues prevented any further progression in that program. So yes, at least I tried. Not to mention, I lost three uncles in Vietnam. So don't paint me as unpatriotic.

His firings were illegal if at anytime he advertised his business as an equal opportunity employer:

An employer not discriminate in any of its programs, procedures or practices on the basis of age, color, disability, national or ethnic origin, political affiliation, race, religion, sex (including pregnancy), sexual orientation, or veteran status.

However, if he did not...he can do as he pleases